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Why is Lemmygrad hated in the wider space of Lemmy? (lemm.ee)
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by wtry@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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I've been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?

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[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 75 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Liberals hate communists more than they hate fascists

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 70 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Liberals don't even really hate fascists, they just pretend to condemn them to keep up international appearances; as the past year's slippage, then shameless tearing-off of the mask has shown us. No one should be surprised by this, either-- the American way has always been clad in a pointy white robe, clutching a rifle in white-knuckled hands; if you peel back all the mythologizing.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Its a country founded on genocide that deported as many communists as they could in the 50s then killed and arrested the rest that remained.

Lets not forget the active genocides they carried out in vietnam or the middle east either, or the concentration camp they have open on cuba.

[–] Destraight@lemm.ee -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is that Cuban concentration camp still being used? Where is your proof?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

GuantΓ‘namo Bay

Since 2002, the base has included the detainment camp for individuals deemed of risk to United States national security. In 2009, the U.S. President, Barack Obama, gave orders for the detention camp to close by January 22, 2010. As of 2021, it remains open due to a congressional refusal of funds for its closure.

[–] UrbonMaximus@feddit.uk 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Sorry for my ignorance, but I think liberal means something else in my part of the world. Can you please tell me what's your definition?

Edit: As I thought - you guys mean Neoliberalism. Even in the links below it's mentioned that there was a split in terms. Language matters! Liberalism - a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights and civil liberties (the opposite in the political spectrum from authoritarianism).

[–] Garfield@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

they're not using liberal in the american sense of liberal meaning gay blue haired woman with pronouns and vegan lattes that conservatives get mad at (in general theres a lot of queer vegan women with pronouns and colourful hair on hexbear); they're defining liberal in the marxist sense in that its people who support capitalism but arent currently fascists, so this includes conservatives, neoliberals, social democrats, and all sorts in it. Their comment seems to be applying more specifically to the ideologically committed liberals as opposed to mostly apolitical people who just say, "oh yeah i guess i;ll vote democrat this time" once every 4 years and have that be the extent of their politcal consciousness

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's nonsense statements like this that should provide the answer to OP's question. When push came to shove in WW2, liberalism in the US, UK, and elsewhere sided with communism against fascism.