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[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

18.7% of the population is a considerable amount of people. In the country I live in, the biggest "minority" is less than 7%.

The apartheid is debatable though. I know that European commission stated that Israel is not an apartheid regime. Israeli judiciary also does not say that the country is apartheid.

However, the Supreme court of Israel and UN decided that Israel illegally occupies land in the west bank, so there cannot be an excuse/counter argument for that.

may I ask what you mean by LGBTI+ rights? If I remember correctly, Israel is quite good in these terms (Not as good as some eňEuropean countries but far better than rest of middle east)

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The point of the LGBT+ thing was pointing out that the definition of "democracy" the Economist uses, doesn't include civil rights (tho if you want to start comparing the treatment of LGBTQ+ people Israel isn't even the best in the M.east).

as for 18.7% being a considerable amount of people, thus can't be apartheid state is a massive nothingburger seeing as we have seen genocides happen to larger groups.

and in context of the European commission, I recommend you read their actual answer, because the "Israel is not an apartheid state" bit is politics, read the rest, and it's basically admitting that the Israeli state clearly disregards the civil rights of group/s

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 9 months ago

What other middle eastern country is better in terms of LGBTI rights than Israel? Lgbti rights are not ideal there but they allow registered partnerships and even recognize same sex marriages performed elsewhere. In addition, Tel Aviv is one of the most gay-friendly cities in the world with some additional rights for LGBTI people.

I agree that we have seen genocide happening to larger groups than 18.7% but those 18.7% in arabs are nowhere near genocide. Arabs with Israeli citizenship have the same rights as Jews living there. They are members of the supreme court, they have a political party, etc.

I have checked the article and I agree it points out some mistakes made by Israel towards Palestinians but those actions cannot be considered apartheid. Yes, they illegally build settlements in an undisputed land but that’s not apartheid.