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    [–] shadowfenix@lemmy.one 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And now here comes Gentoo with a... a coal forge? Oh my God he's forging a steel chair from a metal blank! But what's this? Hes pulling out a smaller forge to forge a hammer for the bigger forge! The humanity!

    [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    And now here comes Debian, he enters the room and sits on chair that was there for few years already, and sits there for the next few years

    [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    And oh my god, here comes Windows with a steel chair! Its a fine chair that almost anyone can sit in, as long as its updated regularly and paid for, or else they take off two of the legs. She whacks you with it, but only with the long end of the chair by default, which really stings. If you prefer to be hit with the flat of the chair, she desperately tries to convince you that being hit with the Edge is better.

    [–] Penta@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

    this thread is hilarious

    [–] Gork@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I never used Gentoo. Was it really that bad lol

    [–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I briefly experimented with it ages ago. And I mean ages ago, like 20+ years ago. Maybe it's changed somewhat since then, but my understanding is that Gentoo doesn't provide binary packages. Everything gets compiled from source using exactly the options you want and compiled exactly for your hardware. That's great and all but it has two big downsides:

    • Most users don't need or even want to specify every compile option. The number of compile options to wade through for some packages (e.g. the kernel) is incredibly long, and many won't be applicable to your particular setup.
    • The benefits of compiling specifically for your system are likely questionable, and the amount of time it takes to compile can be long depending on your hardware. Bear in mind I was compiling on a Pentium 2 at the time, so this may be a lot less relevant to modern systems. I think it took me something like 12 hours to do the first-time compile when I installed Gentoo, and then some mistake I made in the configuration made me want to reinstall and I just wasn't willing to sit through that again.
    [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

    Compiling your own kernel was often useful or even necessary back in the day. I think it was the only package I regularly compiled for myself back then, and I think I was on red hat

    [–] mkwt@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    The bit about the small forge forging a forge is skewering the Gentoo concept of toolchain bootstrapping.

    Problem: how can you claim to have compiled the entire system on your own local machine if you need a compiler to compile a compiler? Where do you get that compiler from?

    Solution: Use an external compiler to compile a compiler. Then use that compiler that you just compiled to compile itself again. Then use that second compiler to recompile the rest of the system.

    [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 points 11 months ago

    It's compilers all the way down.