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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I don't think there's any 'about' here. It absolutely has broken down. And, if Israel has anything to say about it, it will never recover. Israel has gone from apartheid to genocide, within living memory (there are very few left alive, but still living memory) of the genocide the founders of Israel went through themselves.

Every single Israeli involved in this war grew up hearing about the genocide of Jews and they learned nothing.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Worth noting that the founders of israel are very specifically not the folks that endured the Holocaust.

Holocaust survivor families in Israel endure disproportionate risk of crippling poverty, having their languages banned because yiddish sephardi and other historical jewish languages are seen as low class compared to hebrew, and most shocking to me when I found out, being called 'Soap' by other jews in Israel.

Israel isn't the state of refuge, it's the state of that cousin who sees you get racially profiled and uses it to catapult their own online celebrity status.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

There are also the two terrorist organization that are the base for the IDF, they literally massacre villages and created a resort on top of it.

And the arab jew, specially the Yemenian Jew, who their kids got taken from them when they arrive to Isreal.

And even last year or the year before black jew from Ethiopia got their status revoked or something.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Israel mistreats and abuse Holocaust survivors too. Fascism has no good side.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Israel has gone from apartheid to genocide, within living memory (there are very few left alive, but still living memory) of the genocide the founders of Israel went through themselves.

Israel has been genocidal from the start. It's just faster now; in 1949 there was the Nakba and then there was the whole settlement business.

[–] hAhAhNKoReAn@fanaticus.social -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's a bit of comment in your anti semitism

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You could actually state where I'm wrong (hint: I only stated proven historical facts).

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ya got the date wrong. Nakba happened in 1948 when multiple Arabic nations declared war on Israel after they announced their independence.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Setting aside the legitimacy of Israel as a state, why does that mean they get to ethnically cleanse half the Palestinian population?

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Where in my comment did I say that lol

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's the implication, at least. Because "they declared war first so they deserved it" is a popular position among Zionists.

If that's not what you meant, then while the war was declared in 1948, the Nakba started in earnest when Israel started beating back the Arab states in 1949.

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you declare war and lose, you can’t just go “lol oopsie we didn’t really mean it” and expect nothing to happen. When has the loser in any war not experienced repercussions?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Usually we expect the civilians not to get ethnically cleansed, but oh well.

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

So what would have happened if the Arab nations had won? Do you not see the irony here? The Jews paid for the land legally before declaring their independence. This is fact I can back it up with evidence. Muslim rulers were scared of the possibility of a majority Jewish nation because of how horrible Jews were treated under muslim rule. I can provide a list of all the massacres and pogroms committed against Jews in muslim countries throughout history. The list is staggering. Jews were classified as dhimmi under muslim rule and had to pay an extortion tax as well as being barred from using several of their own holy sites. You can’t attempt an ethnic cleansing on a people and then when it fails cry “ethnic cleansing!” when they return the same behavior they’ve been dealing with for 1000s of years.