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[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If they pay hazard pay and people willingly contribute, what’s the issue?

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

At first glance, none.

But then "willingness" and "money" rarely mix well. Yeah, there are humans "willing" to be paid for their plasma but it's a marginalized part of the population trying to have just enough money to survive.

I'm sorry. I'm trying not to ruin the meme any further.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People donate blood, plasma, sperm and breast milk from all walks of life already. Some get paid too.

If you want it to be about a particular group in can be, but even well off people donate/get money for their bodily fluids.

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Donation is one thing completely different than selling their fluids. There's no incentive to exploit people when there's not a payback in cash.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And people sell them too already. They aren’t exploited.

Yeah there will be people that try to abuse it, that applies to literally everything in life and should never be the reason to not do something.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it's the definition of exploitation

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Unless they are forced to it can’t be exploitation.

Now if they work health benefits into instead of just paying better wages, that would be more on the exploitation side. But thats the bad eggs ruining it for the other 98% that don’t abuse it.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it's definitely exploitation. you just don't like the connotation. they are being exploited for their blood just like a well is exploited for oil a mountain is exploited for minerals and forests are exploited for wood.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Exploit has multiple meanings, exploiting a resource and exploiting someone in an underhand or unfair way do have the same phrase to explain them. But exploiting a resource is obviously much different than treating workers unfairly.

Verbs and nouns typically have different meanings for the same word, maybe time for an English refresher.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm using it correctly. don't be condescending. you might think it's a fair exploitation, but it's exploitation nonetheless.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not your decision it make. Hazard pay exists for a reason, many people view that as exploitation as well. Doesn’t make it so, sorry.

Words have different meanings, and you missed the mark thinking it was like mining.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

by the barest definition, it is exploitation.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you missed the mark

oh, I think I hit something.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

calling me names doesn't change whether I'm right

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

since you clearly went to a dictionary, you can see none of the definitions even mention "force".

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are other words in the definitions that mean the same.

What do you think unfair and underhanded means….?

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

to be clear, my definition is correct, and you are objecting to the connotation of other definitions. this is very much your problem .

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

mounds and greens have nothing to do with this. we are only using the transitive verb here.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And if they are paid fairly it’s not exploitation anymore. That’s their decision to make, not yours.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

pay isn't part of the definition of exploitation, either