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New Yorkers march on Wall St. to demand an end to US funding of Israel : Peoples Dispatch (peoplesdispatch.org)
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People in New York City once again took to the streets to demand a permanent ceasefire in Israel’s war on Gaza and an end US aid to Israel. Protesters marched from Foley Square to NYC City Hall, Wall Street, and Washington Square Park to raise their demands. The protest took place as the United Nations Security Council was voting on a ceasefire resolution, which was vetoed by the United States.

The protest was called for by the Shut It Down for Palestine Coalition, composed of several organizations including the International Peoples’ Assembly, the Palestinian Youth Movement, the ANSWER Coalition, and National Students for Justice in Palestine, and dozens of other local New York City organizations.

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[–] JoumanaKayrouz@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago (5 children)

We can only send thoughts and prayers to the kids dying of school shootings in our country, why do we need to fund a religious war on the other side of the world? I am seriously asking what benefit it is to the US?

[–] kozy138@lemm.ee 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Every bullet fired, every bomb dropped, is money in the bank for American military corporations. War = $$$

[–] Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

You'd think so, but then the same logic should apply to Ukraine right?

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

AIPAC owns American politicians. Ukraine doesn’t

[–] Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

Yeah, fair point... And don't forget the russian assets in the GOP.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Russia owns Republicans

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Both can be true. We can have a just war that prints money for bad people.

The war in Israel, however, is a bad war printing money for bad people.

Frankly, I don't really understand how a privatized military industrial complex is not a blow to national security. You'd think we'd want more cost-effective munitions.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You mean to say it doesn't?

[–] Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It was just a comment on the fact that GOP voted down the new care package for Ukraine. If it prints money for them and their buddies they should be for it right? So what could possibly be the reason they vote it down...? coughrussian assetscough

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 months ago

They're being pragmatic, they actually want to get paid, and they don't want the US to have to pay for all of these weapons and other material. Not everyone you disagree with is a Russian asset, no matter how hard that narrative is pushed.

All of the "aid" the US has sent to Ukraine has been on credit, a 21st Century lend-lease. The original 20th century lend-lease was a roaring success in terms of subjugating the British empire, and it's also worth noting that a lot of US representatives of that era were very hesitant to approve the "care packages" in the first place as well. The debt Britain owes the US from WWII has actually never been repaid, but the US got global hegemony out of the deal so they agreed to look the other way.

Ukraine however has no ability to pay off the debt they have already racked up, let alone more. Not just because they've lost militarily but also because anything remotely productive in the country (primary farmland and factories) has been parceled off to the highest (US based) bidder, destroyed via the war, or can't be productive in the foreseeable due to the loss of working people to emigration and war.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Didn't the CIA say Ukraine blew up Russia's Nordstream pipeline (which carries Russian oil to Europe)?

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don't get the downvoted, I'm not sure about the CIA but the telegraph has stated the same from their own investigation

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah the cia are the ones who said their info points to a Ukraine operation. Ukraine denies it but again, according to the cia report, some state actor did it.

I'm not worried about downvotes. :) as far as i know it's not like reddit where comments get hidden so meh, and With all the disinfo out there sometimes people get a little reactionary. Its nbd

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 months ago

It is not a religious war. Was it a religious war when the indigenous peoples elsewhere fought against the invaders? Palestinians are no less passionate about their land than the Lakota or Zulu.

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Gaza has oil. That’s all it’s ever about.

[–] VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The Middle East in general has oil and Israel is our main base over there basically, being an ally in the region. They give us a zone of control. (Also Turkey but Israel is easier to control and it's good to have backups.)

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Turkey isn’t a reliable ally in the same way Israel is. Turkey is a relatively large country that has the capacity to act fully independently of any great power, and occasionally does. Israel is much smaller and can only sustain itself with US and EU support. A sanctions package like what has been applied to Russia would likely cripple Israel and see it wiped off the map rather quickly, so they have no choice but to stay on side.

[–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 1 points 9 months ago

Israel is also where a large percentage of our medical equipment and I think drugs too are from.

[–] mkhoury@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

I was under the impression that there were resources in that area that the US currently has privileged access to because of their alliances there. So they have a stake in making their allies come out on top.