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We could have codified Roe, but keeping the filibuster was more important than women.
Keeping the filibuster is pretty important. Without it, Republicans would simply have un-codified Roe in 2016.
Followed by repealing the Voting Rights Act and Medicaid, privatizing Social Security and the Post Office, enacting a regressive flat tax, etc.
...for blocking progress. Republicans don't have to put any work into blocking progress since Democrats do it for them.
It also blocks Republicans from repealing any progress.
And Democrats from implementing any. Popular progress would make Republicans very unpopular indeed if they repealed it. Just look what happened when they finally caught that car they'd been chasing for decades and killed Roe.
Imagine if they had to undo the law first and then get the Supreme Court to strike down Roe. They would have taken the same popularity hit twice. Imagine if the John Lewis Voting Rights Act passed instead of being stopped in its tracks by the filibuster. All the fuckery Republicans are trying to pull at the state level would have to get through a popular civil rights law first. But no. The filibuster is a relic of the Jim Crow era, and holds back civil rights to this day. And that's how centrists like it.
Since it provides Democrats a way to pretend their hands are tied, they prioritize its preservation over the civil rights of their constituents.
Of course, this also means they have limited accomplishments to run on. Which is why the only message right now is "not trump".
Yes, what happened after Republicans killed Roe? Kate Cox had to flee her state to get an abortion, that's what. Republicans are doubling down, not backing down.
I'd rather have small, permanent progress than constantly watch Republicans take away what we gained.
By the way, state legislatures don't have filibusters. Having seen what they are doing, I don't want more of the same at the federal level.
You'd rather have no progress.
I'd rather not have the equivalent of the Florida or Texas legislature running the country. That's worse than no progress.
Same. Unfortunately, the John Lewis Voting Rights Act was less important than centrists' adherence to the Jim Crow Filibuster.
Floridians had rights, until suddenly they didn't.
Rights aren't so important when they can easily taken away.
Rights aren't important to you at all. As long as Democrats get to keep their stupid procedural excuse for inaction, everything else is secondary.
And yet they are taking action where they can, like in Ohio, Kansas, etc.
You are willing to risk everything for short term again, most of us aren't.
Great. Could have codified Roe, but you're happy with Texas' law as long as your precious Jim Crow filibuster keeps progress from ever happening on the national level.
Your real nightmare scenario isn't Florida's abortion laws. It's Washington's minimum wage, universal vote by mail, and legal cannabis.
Codified Roe = short term gain. The only way to codify it is to plant the seeds for its destruction. Along with the destruction of other laws you should care about.
You prefer no gain at all ever. Congratulations on getting it.
I prefer incremental gains that are not easily reversed. Like the ACA and the latest climate change legislation.
You like the filibuster because you like your losses to be untempered by gains.
You're trying to coast on the ACA from 15 years ago, when the only thing you liked about it was how the filibuster prevented the public option from happening.
I like the filibuster because without it the ACA wouldn't have lasted 15 years.
If Republicans were willing to simply undo anything that Democrats put into place, why haven't they?
They could have ended the filibuster with a simple majority and done whatever they wanted any time they had a majority in the Senate. They won't, and it's not because of some non-existent worship of decorum. It's because they know that repealing popular legislation would be so unpopular that it would sink them.
Democrats just don't want to end the filibuster. It gives them a flimsy excuse to let Republicans dictate the limits of policy regardless of who has the majority.
Republicans don't want to end the filibuster for the same reason as Democrats: they are afraid Democrats will undo whatever they manage to pass.
And it's laughable to suggest that they are worried about unpopularity, they pass unpopular laws all the time. Literally book banning is unpopular. Six week abortion bans are unpopular. Tax cuts for the wealthy are unpopular. Republicans don't care, they only have to do things that are popular among conservatives.
Sounds good. Maybe we should undo whatever Republicans pass. You don't want to do that either, of course.
Republicans already have their mechanism for undoing things Democrats like: the courts and red states. You'll happily let all of it go forever as long as Democrats have the only thing they care about: the Jim Crow Filibuster.
We've been going around in circles for some time now. You're determined to support a stupid racist policy that serves almost exclusively to prevent civil rights legislation from passing. I'm done with this conversation. Thanks for the confirmation that the Dixiecrats never completely left the party.
And you want to undo decades of progress, because you weren't alive before those laws were passed and you're clueless about what life would be like without them. "Sounds good, burn it all down" is something only a privileged person would say.
It's a shame you're so obsessed with instant gratification. People are willing to work for enduring change, not the temporary quick-fix you're selling.
Yes, SCOTUS overturned Roe, but they wouldn't have dared to strike down your abortion statute.
They would have had to figure out why it was unconstitutional first. It would be greater protection than Roe by itself.
“Because Jesus died on the cross for your sins”
Prove it
Because Congress lacks the authority to regulate that issue, and the tenth amendment exists. Issues relating to health or morals are typically left to the states. Arguing something like the interstate commerce clause would have been quite the stretch.
The 9th amendment also exists, as do the 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 14th. To believe it's a states rights issue is hilariously wrong, as is the Dobbs opinion. Dobbs is law right now, but this court destroyed any concept of precedent mattering, and the younger generations are in overwhelming support of abortion. Dobbs will be overturned, and the right knows it, hence aspects of project 2025 being partially about stripping all people of the right to an abortion.
Dobbs proves my point, not yours, they are limiting unenumerated rights and returning an issue of morality and healthcare to the states. They would do the same with this statute. You don't need to agree with them, but it's true.
Are you going to base Congressional authority on a tenuous interplay of the 1st and 14th amendment and an unenumerated right to privacy? Because the court already ruled against that. Interstate Commerce? That's laughable at best.
If you want to make your point you're really going to have to state where Congress gets authority, because I assure you, SCOTUS would ask in oral arguments.
Also, Dobbs shouldn't be overturned, Roe was a terribly written decision that wasn't based on law, but tried to settle the issue by being everything to everyone. The next liberal court should rule on bodily autonomy grounds, not privacy.
Lmfao sure bud, keep living in your fairytale world
You strike me as someone with no legal training, who has never read Dobbs, never read Roe, and doesn't have the first clue what they're talking about.
And you strike me as an originalist. Don't go after my legal knowledge like you think you know how much I do or don't know. I've read every majority, minority, and concurring opinions from Griswold, Roe, Lawrence, Planned Parenthood v Casey, Lawrence, Windsor, Obergefell, and, of course, Dobbs.
The arguments presented for Dobbs, were exclusively Christian fundamentalist. It relied on literally 0 actually substantial claims, it was clearly a case that SCOTUS already made up its mind for.
Kavanaugh, Barrett, and even Gorsuch all specifically said they would never vote to overturn the 50 years of precedent of Roe when they were having their confirmation hearings. They swore they would not because the GOP knew of the fallout that would happen if Roe was ever actually overturned. The 2022 and 2023 elections proved them right.
Even Clarence Thomas said he would abstain on cases like this where he has such personal feelings in his own confirmation hearings, yet he did not do so in Roe. The point I'm getting at with this is that at least 4 of the judges that voted for it have already demonstrated they're fucking liars. How much of your word can you even take, even if you agree with them?
Lastly, I suggest you read the concurring opinions of Dobbs. Clarence Thomas' is especially mortifying. There is no legal argument in it, it is strictly pure hatred. If it wasn't, and he was being consistent, he would have mentioned overturning Loving v. Virginia too, but we all know why that's not something he'll do.
Definitely not.
Did you believe them? Never had a doubt they'd vote that way.
Congrats, you and every other 1L.
For a refreshing change of pace?
Roe was terribly reasoned and made for bad law. In the same way Dobbs was the result of starting with a conclusion and then reasoning it, so was Roe.
A better basis for abortion access is bodily autonomy. A constitutional right to say how one's body is used is at the heart of all other rights. That's a much better foundation than privacy.
Refreshing change of place? Motherfucker Thomas' opinion said they should "revisit" other cases like Lawrence. Obviously when he says "revisit" he means overturn. You saying that confirms literally all I need to know about your intent
Stop trying your manipulative, disingenuous arguments here, they mean the same as the shit fascists like DeSantis say
So you have no sense of sarcasm?
I'm sorry, you're too stupid to continue this. Nothing I said was manipulative or fascistic, your reading comprehension is abysmal.
Sure bud