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Wow, not sure to call him ultra-nationalist or religious-extremist.
Violent bigots come in ever flavor. At a certain point, it's not worth the effort to suss out the source of their prejudices. It's an unanswerable question that leads to the same dissapointment in simple minded zealotry no matter their specific path.
I'd rather spend time trying to understand the ones I respect instead of getting lost in the maze of a random scum.
Best comment in this shit-stained comment section.
There's a word for those two things; Zionist.
Not all zionists are religious, like at all.
It takes like 10 minutes of googling to see Zionism is an umbrella term for multiple different schools of thoughts. People are turning it into some slur when at its core it’s the belief that Jews have a right to a state. Keep in mind that Jews are both a race and a religion.
Race is a construct. We are all the same species.
Yes but so is Money, the significance of a social construct comes from how much society as a whole puts stock in the ideas. Unfortunately race is very relevant in today's world as ethnicity and perceived race is a big factor in how issues are discussed and acted on.
I may be overreacting a bit, but your comment sounds a lot like the colorblind/all lives matter rethoric to me in this context, so I want to emphasize it's significance to this discussion.
Well it's more of a state in a specific place and that maybe everyone should go there.
Fascist. That's the word you're looking for.
Religious nationalist is not a synonym for fascist. We need to stop diluting the meaning of the word fascist.
"Religious nationalist" is an oxymoron - especially when it comes to Abrahamic religions. Saluting a piece of colored fabric and treating it with any kind of reverential significance literally breaks the very first commandment.
They are neither religious - they literally act in direct contravention of the teachings they (supposedly) "follow" - nor nationalist - they literally (and overtly) place the interests of a small wealthy elite above the interests of the people in the nation.
No, Clyde - they are fascists.
Nations aren't considered gods, and flags aren't idols of those non-gods. You don't sacrifice goats to the flag, or burn incense for it.
Judaism has historically looked at Christian beliefs and practices with way, way more suspicion of polytheism and idolatry than it's ever looked at national flags.
The teacher here is unhinged, but you clearly don't really know very much about the ten commandments, especially from a Jewish context.
Oh really? Children aren't brainwashed into worshipping the classical liberal nation-states they are born into with religious-like reverance?
Really?
No, we sacrifice people to them. Do tell, Clyde - how many USians have sacrificed themselves to "defend America" in the past couple of decades?
Oh, I see Jewish people everywhere being very suspicious of your precious nationalist religion... and it's not a new thing, either.
Yes. Children do not literally worship their nation-state with literal religious reverence. No rabbi would tell you that the ten commandments are about prohibiting metaphorical sacrifices to metaphorical religions.
No rabbi would say that saying that someone "worships money" turns their wallet into an alter and their job into idol worship. Religiously, it's just a metaphorical turn of phrase.
Maimonides, probably the most influential rabbi of the middle ages, explicitly called Christians idolaters. The trinity isn't precisely considered polytheistic; the Hebrew term is shituf.
Can you find a single rabbi who would call volunteering to join a military and dying at war halachically prohibited human sacrifice to the nation-as-god or flag-as-idol?
And where exactly did I call myself a religious nationalist? I'm just saying that your argument that the term is an oxymoron is idiotic and betrays a deep ignorance of the religion. I mean, you couldn't even quote the right commandment - in Judaism, the first item on the ten commandants is "I am the lord your God", which makes your argument a complete non sequitur.
Of course not! Performing weird little rituals in regards to it's symbols and sacrificing themselves and others to it's (alleged) grandeur cannot possibly be compared with anything religious!
I mean... at least the older religions offers you the fantasy of an afterlife to cling to, right? That must be enough of a difference, right?
Capitalist bootlickers have always attempted to pretend that religious figures "didn't mean what they say" when they condemned the wealthy elites... I guess that hasn't changed at all, huh?
I can't wait for you to actually come up with something that isn't just bottom-of-the-barrel apologetics - will this be taking you long?
Let me make sure I understand you: your argument is that any self-consistent Jew cannot make an image of anything that can be compared to religion? So anything grand that people find meaning in that requires sacrifices with weird superstitions and rituals.
So no flags because of the religion of nationalism, no money because of the religion of money, no On Food And Cooking because of the religion of French cuisine, and no pictures of Rossini because of the religion of opera?
I'm sure you're going to provide me with plenty of evidence that lists the millions that laid down their lives or were murdered for French cuisine and/or Italian opera.
Come now... don't keep me in suspense.
Totally reasonable reaction to have...
(Please tell me I don't need to tag this as sarcasm)