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[–] doctorcrimson 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The "one exception" just described the vast majority of the operations. There is no using the power to avoid using CO2 because that's not how the power market works at all. If prices go down, consumption goes up. If you think some Carbon Capture facilities are a net zero effect aside from collecting data then that's fine, if you think they're a dumb thing to be spending resources on then that is fine, but you're absolutely not correct to say it's more efficient to put all that energy into a giant capitalist grid.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying that it's literally throwing a bucket of water on the floor and then mopping it up. Better not throw the bucket on the floor to begin with

[–] doctorcrimson 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Okay well the reality is people have been throwing water on the floor for 20 years and you don't want us to clean it up.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No.

People have been throwing water on the floor for 200 years now, since the start of the industrial revolution, and right now a huge hose is connected to an enormous water tap and that hose dumps all the water straight on the floor.

You want to take a mop on that, I say that the mop is make ng it worse, because I need you to help me get rid of that hose.

Once the hose is gone, please by all means, mop away, we will need it, I fully agree. But while that hose is dumping water, I need you ) that is, the entire world) to first focus on stopping the water flow.

Edit: and just so you understand the severity of the situation: even if we spend 5-70% of the worlds energy budget on mopping 24/7, we'll likely be mopping for the next CENTURIES to get rid of all the extra CO2 we dumped for the past 200 years.