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[–] tal 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

All of these images are AI-generated, and stolen from an artist named Michael Jones.

It absolutely is not "stolen" from Michael Jones.

He made, in real life, a wooden statue of a dog.

That certainly gives him no exclusive right to make images with a wooden statue of a dog. And he is definitely not the first person to do a carving of a dog in wood; dogs and humans have been around for a long time, and statues of dogs predate writing.

The problem that someone like Jones has isn't that people are making images, but that Jones doesn't have a great way to reliably prove that he created an actual statue; he's just taking a picture of the thing. Once upon a time, that was a pretty good proof, because it was difficult to create such an image without having created a statue of a dog. Now, it's not; a camera is no longer nearly as useful as a tool to prove that something exists in the real world.

So he's got a technical problem, and there are ways to address that.

  • He could take a video -- right now, we aren't at a point where it's easy to do a walkaround video, though I assume that we'll get there.

  • He could get a trusted organization to certify that he made the statue, and reference them. If I'm linking to woodcarvers-international.org, then that's not something that someone can replicate and claim that they created the thing in real life.

  • It might be possible to create cameras that create cryptographically-signed output, though that's going to be technically-difficult to make in a way that can't be compromised.

But in no case are we going to wind up in a world where people cannot make images of a wooden dog statue -- or anything else -- because it might make life more difficult for someone who has created a wooden dog to prove that they created that statue in real life.

[–] chamomile@furry.engineer 1 points 11 months ago

@tal @BlackEco Except, as the article notes, he *has* taken videos of his process and shared in-progress photos. The problem is not that there is no way to prove the veracity of a photo - it's that it's difficult to prove the converse for fakes, and most people are woefully unprepared for that reality. The average person has not fully internalized that almost any image they see online could be entirely fictional, and it's only going to get harder to tell.

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