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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I feel the same way, I don’t mind people but in small, small, smaaaaaall doses. But cities like that are great for others, I don’t have to live there.

[–] RiderExMachina@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Y'all might be imagining NYC levels of density and, while that's important, is definitely several steps further than what's needed to make America not terrible. Something like rowhouses or even 4-plexes would be an improvement, and that would, at max, only add 50-100 more people to the average city block.

If you already live in a neighborhood, you would really only be interacting with your neighbors as you do now. It's not as if your entire city is going to be in the same 15 minute stretch.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

I’d like that for other people! I don’t think it’s bad if some land is less dense though? I can’t stand living in anything that has connecting walls with another house. People are loud, they don’t respect each others spaces or things, and they get super entitled to using common spaces and not sharing with others. People with children are especially bad at all this. But eh, maybe my experience has just been bad.

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago

I mean, the whole crux of the issue right now is that it's illegal to build "missing middle" multi-family homes due to zoning in most of the US–it's almost entirely either single family homes or apartment blocks, two extremes with nothing in between.

It's fine if some of the land is less dense, if you don't like dealing with other people fixing this issue would be a good thing for you too! Imagine if all the people who preferred the option of a house with 2-4 units and its own yard were afforded that option; 100-300% density increases would free up so much of the land that's mostly chemically treated lawns and unnecessarily wide roads, not to mention even more rural areas farther out. I think it would do a lot to help the housing cost crisis even if nothing else were accomplished alongside it legislatively.

[–] brb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

People are loud

This is a problem with soundproofing. I didn't know I had neighbors until I saw one guy leave his apartment

super entitled to using common spaces

Not sure what spaces you are talking about. The only common space I have is sauna, and that is optional

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 10 months ago

The solution to sound is building the walls better with sound proofing. This only happens because houses are built with so many corners cut.

[–] DroneRights@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Modern insulation technology has advanced further than you think. An apartment built to a modern standard will have a lot less people loudness than you're used to. Also, people get louder when the environment is loud, and cars are loud. If you take the cars out of a city, the people get quieter.

[–] themelm@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Plus you can still just put headphones in and quickly dash home to lock yourself away just like now. And I'm sure you'll still be able to get people to deliver things to you even if those people are on foot or bike.

[–] DroneRights@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Dutch cities are way quieter and more peaceful than American cities. This is because cars are loud.