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How would you feel if Beehaw left the Fediverse? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 11 months ago by suspended@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I am one of the admins of Beehaw and I'm trying to get some feedback on our potential move.

Let's start out with a little Beehaw history before judgements are passed, please.

A handful of us were beta testing Tildes when we decided to have discussions on a Discord server.

We decided that our 'Northern Star' or guiding principle would culminate as 'Be Nice' with purposefully vague/flexible interpretations. Our overall goal is to provide a safe space to disenfranchised persons.

We talked for a little over a year and some of our members became impatient. Then someone stepped in to suggest a couple of platforms that we could consider getting started with.

One of those platforms was Lemmy. None of us knew, at that time, anything about ActivityPub.

During the Reddit exodus (surrounding the API outcry and blackout), our instance exploded. We were, initially, crippled by the mass amounts of users seeking refuge.

Thankfully, someone stepped in and volunteered hundreds of hours of work to stabilize our instance and refine it further.

After many hours of talks, it became clear to us that our overall goal could be achieved outside of Lemmy/ActivityPub.

Right now, we feel that Lemmy and ActivityPub have downsides that are limiting us from achieving that goal.

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

When I first heard of beehaw I had really high hopes and was genuinely excited about the idea of a safe space for marginalised people, but when I saw this being framed as "be nice" without exception or nuance a bunch of red flags started waving, to paraphrase - "you can't be nice to everyone, because being nice to certain people is inherently cruel to others", and I was soon proven right in my concerns, with sprinkles on top - beehaw is a typical liberal (not leftist) space, where criticism of the status quo or swearing at bigots and bootlickers is seen as "not nice", but "polite" bigotry or even genocide denial are a-ok (those being the tankie-sympathising sprinkles I was referring to)..

Good luck to you I guess, but having already blocked your domain, you won't be missed, not by me anyway. ¯\(ツ)/¯

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Be respectful" is always code for "be nice to the nazis" because like you put it, you can't treat everyone equally or bad faith actors will use that to do serious amounts of harm where defending yourself is interpreted as being disrespectful; then boom. Nazi bar a week later. And that's just for cases where the admins are in good faith; there have been plenty of times where I have been punished for calling someone on their fascist narratives; and I quote "Don't go around calling people eugenicists, Omega Haxors" (never said that, said he was describing eugenics)

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee -1 points 10 months ago

Agree 100%. When they say be nice, they mean be white and neurotypical.