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i collect these old shows, and this is one has not aged well. i cant actually bring myself to watch the whole run as an adult.
It’s vital to understand that Archie Bunker was written as a bigot intentionally. You’re meant to laugh at him, not with him. The show deliberately addressed controversial social subjects.
The show was made by a liberal, but it suffers from the same problem Rick and Morty suffers from: just because somebody is the protagonist, doesn't mean they're the good guy. But you want to put yourself in the shoes of the protagonist, so you mentally try to make them into the good guy. So when Archie Bunker is a misogynistic racist, it makes you feel bad, but the point is he's not a good guy, it's just hard to separate yourself from the character by that time.
For me, I don’t quite make him the good guy, but I do root for him (in the specific sense that I want to see him grow and become a better person). I understand what you’re concerned about, and it’s a good point.
Not aged well how?
its just not funny. i found myself feeling sorry for the wife constantly... hell everyone in this guys circle. it felt like... hmm.. work to watch.
contrast that with something like taxi or the golden girls, i still find funny.
it kinda of reminds me of mash (not that they are really comparable pieces). i used to watch mash religiously. both hilarious and heartfelt, it it an amazing show. i just cant watch it anymore. the morose, dramatic side of the show is just too much work. the older i get the less i want to deal in dramas.
Interesting. I don't know that I would go back to it again myself, but I do remember liking it when I last saw it. Admittedly, that was many years ago now.
Re M*A*S*H... have you watched the European version without the laugh track? It's almost like watching a different show. The laugh track ruins so much of what Gelbart put into it. I do still enjoy watching it, but without the laugh track. That said, it did get worse in the later seasons, especially after Larry Linville left. And I say that despite really liking what David Ogden Stiers brought to the table.
i have not, but now im on the lookout. id like to at least give it a look. yeah they let alda have way to much creative license also.
have you seen stiers in Creator with peter otool? one of my favorite movies, he is in some of the best scenes.
"one of these days we're going to look into our microscopes and find ourselves staring into gods eyes, and the first one who blinks is going to lose his testicles"
I have not. I will look for it.