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I'm naturally quite cautious about things like this, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

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[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think we shouldn't be torturing pigs on an industrial scale to make soybeans taste or feel different.

[–] davel@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

jesse-wtf Did you read the article? It’s about splicing the DNA snippets that produce umami proteins onto plants.

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I did. The article is riddled with blind support for plant based capitalism and suggests using the tech to improve existing meat products. I also read a little about moolec, which itself ~~grew out of~~ is quite cozy with the pork industry. Finally, where are they getting the DNA subsequences? Is such a company going to build a small library of DNA and then never grow/purchase new pigs to deconstruct to catalog taste, texture, and genetic material?

Soybeans are good, and they don't need to taste or feel like pigs for people to enjoy them.

[–] davel@hexbear.net 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It’s Wired: of course it’s going to be riddled with blind support for capitalism.

Finally, where are they getting the DNA subsequences?

From the industrial scale pig torture infrastructure that was already here.

Soybeans are good, and they don't need to taste or feel like pigs for people to enjoy them.

Scolding people into eating their beans has been going great so far.

[–] Lord_ofThe_FLIES@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

From the industrial scale pig torture infrastructure that was already here.

That's not vegan, did you get lost?

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

From the industrial scale pig torture infrastructure that was already here.

That's exactly my point.

Scolding people into eating their beans has been going great so far.

Stating that we don't need to grow animal proteins inside plants for beans to be good is not the same thing as scolding people for not eating their beans.

All I'm trying to say is that I think we shouldn't be growing or using the meat industries to develop alternatives to animal products, and I am quite confident that there is more profit to be made for moolec if they continue trading with meat processors (both to acquire new animals for testing and dna extraction, and also in supplying meat processors with cheaper protein) than if they were to immediately halt any further development that depends on growing or harvesting new animals and only grow or sell from seed stock they've developed so far.

jesse-wtf BUT WHAT ABOUT THE UMAMI FLAVORS

[–] Gay_Wrath@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

Chinese people have been making plant based umami tofu since before fictional Jesus Christ was around

There's literally no reason to bring a pig into it when you could just use mushrooms or something else for umami flavor

Crackkkers trying to reinvent the soy wheel, badly, with more animal cruelty

[–] CoreOffset@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I absolutely agree with that statement. I guess I had assumed, maybe wrongly, that you wouldn't have to do any of that. Do you know of a source that goes into the specifics?

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

you wouldn't have to do any of that.

I would think the animal exploitation is only absolutely necessary early in R&D where they're still figuring out stuff like which sequences code for production of what proteins, how those are expressed and how these interact with other instructions in the plant dna.

However, I also expect there's much more profit to be made in continued testing, more animal-based R&D in the form of trying to translate desirable phenotypes in animal meat to the plant-produced analog, and in selling the protein back to the meat industry who can mix it with similarly graded animal protein and sell it to omnivores as a greenwashed meat product. All I'm trying to say is that I think they should do the R&D without exploiting more animals.

[–] davel@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

and in selling the protein back to the meat industry who can mix it with similarly graded animal protein

I can absolutely see this happening. I can also see them slowly replacing the actual meat with more and more nonmeat fillers over time, as fewer and fewer people can even afford meat.

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I hope you're right, friend and I hope that this signals the imminent death of animal agriculture.