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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My hope is that the Russians aren't underestimated should there be another tussle. Their military reputation is really taking a pounding.

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Russia was overestimated before they attacked Ukraine and underestimated before the Ukrainian counterattack.
Their strength lies in being able to throw 500000 bodies at an enemy without giving a fuck, and it's currently working.
Quantity has a quality of its own.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Surovikin line seems have been quite effective.

But yeah, Russian soldiers are badly trained and casualties are insanely high. Russia does not have the manpower or equipment to win this war long term if the West continues to supply Ukraine.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

High casualties are a pointed piece of Russian strategy. They feel that it shows determination and will demoralise the enemy and their allies.

The problem (silver lining really) is that it's not having the intended effect. It only manages to demonstrate the urgency of greater and more reliable aid and perhaps even better sanctions sooner or later. There's a cultural disconnect between us, and it's driving a lot of bad decision-making.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The other problem is that its literally not sustainable. Killing all of your working age citizens in a long drawn out war will end your nation if you lose, and will still cripple you if you win but take a while.

If they keep this death toll up much longer, russia wont have the feet to stand on its own.

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even if they win the war in Ukraine their demography will be fucked. Their population pyramid was already showing serious problems from previous conflicts. And now that a million young adults have fled the country and close to half a million casualties have been accrued, the future of Russia is bleak in deed.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

The history of Russia has always been rightfully summed up with the phrase "And then it got worse." So this is really just par for the course.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not just manpower though. They were supposed to be out of weapons like two years ago and handing out old AK's and sharing those between five guys.

Instead they seem to be resupplying and the money they're making on gas sales to China is trucking them along.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Which means they're most likely buying their weapons.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Of course. Many of their drones seem to come from Iran, namely the Shahed.

Recently America claimed North Korean rockets were fired on Ukraine.

The problem isn't really what weapons they're using but the fact that they still have weapons.