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https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
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The standard of living cratered in many of the former soviet countries. It turns out, while communism as implemented by the USSR had it's downsides, in general, the populace as a whole were better off.
Every time I see something like OP's post, I'm reminded that oil companies can't stop destroying the earth because stonks must go up. But yeah, communism is the boogie man.
A ten year old poll, that happened before some important recent events, and is mostly from Russian client states in central Asia and the Caucasus because it only encompasses countries that were part of the Soviet Union is disingenuous, at best, in response to this post about eastern Europe.
Try that poll again today in Albania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, former East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and the Balkans. See how that goes.
Edit: I don't know how I overlooked the Baltics, I was just in Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia for a few weeks this spring. If the museums are anything to go by, their responses to this question would definitely contradict your narrative and they were part of the USSR.
a yes nazi collaborators
Ask Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Hungarians, everyone in former Yogoslavia and Baltics...
A yes Yugoptnik the perfect example lf how happy and content eastern europeanz are
I have read your sentence 4 times and I got no clue what are you trying to say here. Are you really trying to say that Yugoslavia was more stable under communism than it's individual states today?
I would leave out the Serbs, you might get answers you won't like.
I'm aware there are some Yugoslav countries are unhappy today. But, seeing the difference between how well the country is doing today and it's population memories about communism would also tell us a lot IMO
The question was not asked in the Baltic states or Uzbekistan. The question was also not asked in Soviet puppet states like Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, etc.
Most of those are also authoritarian. Tossing out one dictator for another is not going to leave people very satisfied.
The least racist westerner has logged on. Fuck what majority of people who lived in USSR think, it's the people with blond hair and blue eyes whose opinions really matter.
Are you that fucking stupid? There are a ton of Russians, Belorusyans, and Ukrainians who are blond haired and blue eyed. They also did not include 36 million people in Uzbekistan which has very few blond haired blue eyed people. You know who also is not blond haired and blue eyed? Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan who see it as a benefit that the shitty Soviet Union broke up. But I guess you do not give a shit about them. That seems pretty racist of you.
It's not racist to recognize that ignoring the over 100 million people that live in states that were either Soviet or Soviet puppet states kind of fucking skews the results.
Your argument makes no sense. Go back to summer school, child.
Meanwhile in the real world
Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
Oh and finally, this study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.
So, take a sit there little buddy.
Nice copy pasta.
That Pew Research poll is 13 years old during a global financial crisis. A much more recent one (2019) shows that 7 in 10 Hungarians approve of the shift to a market economy.
That same poll showed that over 90% of Germans are happy with reunification. The article from Der Spiegel is 14 years old during a global financial crisis. I lived in Berlin around that time. There was a little bit of Ostalgie but honestly a lot of them were little more than neo Nazis and ended up supporting the AfD. If those are the communists you want to hang out with, be my guest.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/10/Pew-Research-Center-Value-of-Europe-report-FINAL-UPDATED.pdf
Not sure why you devote so much space to the blond hair blue eyed Russians. Seems pretty racist.
Yugoslavia was not a Soviet puppet state nor Eastern Europe so not sure why you are bringing it up. There was also a lot more to Yugoslavia than Serbia.
Things haven't gotten better in these countries in the past 13 years, and current pro western governments are looking pretty shaky as a result. Seethe and cope there child.
Citizens of those countries disagree with you. Seethe and cope, child.
I literally grew up in USSR, and majority of citizens of these countries do agree with me as plenty of surveys show. You're just an intellectually dishonest bootlicker who's doing all the seething and coping here.
15 year old surveys during a financial crisis. And even then, quite a few of those countries were happier without the shitty Soviet government.
A bootlicker would be someone sucking up to the Soviet Union's shitty authoritarian government. That is damn near the definition of bootlicker.
News flash bud, these financial crises happen every decade like clockwork under your precious capitalist system. And each time things get worse for the majority of the people, that's why there's civil unrest brewing all across the west. Meanwhile, pretty adorable you don't understand that every government is fundamentally authoritarian because it derives authority from its monopoly on violence. You just happen to prefer capitals authority over you, and that's what makes you a bootlicker.
Recessions tend to happen every decade roughly, yes. Financial crises do not. It is clear you do not understand what a financial crisis is.
You also don't appear to understand what authoritarianism is either nor what a bootlicker is. You were almost certainly born after the fall of the Society Union considering how childlike your understanding of pretty basic concepts is.
Comments like this radicalize the right and alienate people on the left, you achive absolutely nothing, just culture war fuel for the right, people from the Warsaw pact are not subumans, you don't even understand that you support a race biased perspective with a mentality like this
Nah, pointing out racist shit scumbags say here is not radicalizing the right or alienating anybody who is actually on the left. The fact that westerners focus on the opinions of predominantly white people in eastern europe over those in the rest of USSR is racist as fuck.
As I said Warsaw pact people are not subhuman, judging from your comments they are, and even if you want to go into pseudo science race theory, the poles are white slav like the majority, russian and the ukranians, Georgia is another state that is in the poll, yet is a white majority, so why did they left some of the biggest and most populous part of the USSR? You are the perfect example of extreme race ideas, just not the white mainstream ones, race is a social construct, used to divide the people to let them fight against each others, you fit the role perfectly, if you were communist you would say that racial war is a distraction to class war, or am I wrong?
You're just making a straw man there because nobody said anything about Warsaw pact people being subhuman except you. What was actually said was that the opinions of white people in European parts of USSR are prioritized over those who lived in the rest of USSR in the west. Nobody is talking about any race war here except you. You keep trying to call me a racist for pointing this out shows the depths of your intellectual dishonesty. I've got nothing else to say to you.