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You could have a personal garden, but to have a farm you'd have to obtain a lot of land. Then you'd have to make the land productive with either large and resource hungry machinery i.e. capital or you'd have to obtain and exploit the labor of farm workers to work by hand.
What if i agree with some of my friends that we will join our yards to make one big field and work it together? We could also ask others for help and pay them for their work, the amount of money we both agree with.
You and your community collectively owning and operating a farm is literally a communal farm.
but if some of my friends dont want to work it they can just sell me the land. And if we produce more food than we need we can sell it so we can buy other things we don't produce. I dont understand why its wrong to own a farm.
Personal property is for personal use. That's it.
Once you start to accumulate surplus property then its very obviously not personal anymore. A person that doesn't want a garden won't have one to sell you, because they wouldn't have one in the first place.
Don't think in terms of "right" and "wrong". Think materially.
what if their father left them the garden and they want to sell it to me? what if they want to move somewhere else and they decide to sell me their property?
Inheritance is antithetical to meritocracy is the basis for generational wealth and capitalist dynasties.
Everything must go, use it lose it.
What even is your motivation to do more than the bare minimum to survive if not to leave it to your children? I would rather take care of my kids future than let some corrupt government do it who will prioritize their children over mine
You can't even imagine helping your neighbors, huh?
You overestimate how much the average person cares for people they don’t know.
Keep telling on yourself.
I wish the truth was different…
It is! Humans are naturally cooperative and empathetic, we aren't selfish assholes that only care about our immediate families.
Empathy is a skill. It atrophies under capitalism, but it could be trained and flourish under different conditions.
In the entirety of human history communism has never worked. Not once has any society been able to work on the ideals of it.
Yeah, because the US bombs them or funds terror cells or blockades their economy.
Cold War. Communism was hunted and destroyed whereever it arose.
If communism was so strong it wouldn't have to worry about capitalist intervention. You just proved my point of communism / socialism being weak if the apparent enemy is easily able to wreck you economy and implode your country it is not a strong system.
Might makes right, then?
So what are all those people without kids doing?
Make a better world, build a stronger economy for them excel in and make their own way. I plan on providing the very best for my children to let them go about their life as they see fit and not have to rely on something I might pass down.
Corrupt governments is a cop out statement too, ideally you wouldn't stand for government corruption.
Who decides what constitutes surplus?
Substance farming is different than owning a farm that exists by its own production of food and selling those produced goods at market price.
Keeps the means of production out of the hands of the wealthy.
who even makes farms at that point?
The government, literally the only option left when you take away the rich and poor.
And who will make sure they don't abuse their power? Its basic human nature to be greedy. Who chooses the government? People voting?
I'm so sorry you believe that.
Its sad but its true. Not everyone is bad but a lot of people are, if you don't believe that you are very sheltered.
People aren't born bad. They're made that way and they need help.
Capitalism has trained you to see your neighbor as your enemy. It's a tragedy!
Odd when I apply this theory to people like say Jeff Bazos it kinda comes off funny.
Oh those poor evil billionaires are just needing help, will someone not think of the tragic local monopoly man?
He does need help!
He needs reeducation and rehabilitation, preferably in a facility where he can learn to be human again.
Ok then @queermunist , I'm seriously going to call you out on this now: please send me your money.
Like, seriously.
Send me all the money you have earned and saved up so far, if you really believe what you said.
Share your money with me. I'm not greedy, I need your money to live.
It is not greedy to want to live and to have personal property! That's literally what the OP is about!
Well at the moment that's what we accept and then they set the rules for industry, hardly much added danger in letting them be the industry? More direct rule for the people.
Remove "some" and redefine "friends" to mean "anyone, anywhere, at anytime, and for any reason", and you're golden.