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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by Kaplya@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

Inspired by recent discussions, I think Hexbear has a lot of good information about socialism but I wonder if the relentless defense of AES on Hexbear means shooting ourselves in the foot, since many potential leftists have been thoroughly primed to react negatively to AES states?

We’re not getting our messages out when progressive instances have already pre-emptively blocked us and calling us “tankies”.

People are being turned away without even taking the opportunity to read some of the stuff here, because they already have a pre-conceived notion about Hexbear being filled with “crazy tankies who defend totalitarianism”.

I know there have been a lot of propaganda and fabrication being perpetuated about socialist countries, and it feels “right” to defend them against these false accusations, but I wonder if this is doing more harm than good for the present day nascent socialist movement, at least in the Western countries?

We can remain on the current course and feel indignant about the tankie accusations, but will forever remain as a niche “tankie” community.

Or, we can open ourselves up, by toning down the admiration for the socialist states so we are not being treated as hostile by the other instances, and thus opening up the opportunities to have productive interactions with users (and potential leftists) from other instances?

(I do have my own position, you probably know which one it is, but I’m willing to hear from others and reevaluate my own opinions if needed).

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. All points are well taken. Thank you.

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[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago

I certainly support anyone willing to put in the effort to do 101 posts, reading lists, and help guide baby leftists. However, I'm not willing to start admonishing/deleting/banning comments about how Stalin didn't go far enough or Mao landlord sentiment etc. just to make an imaginary person feel more comfortable. The jarring nature of the culture here may just as easily be weeding out losers as scaring away potential comrades.

I think the best way to bring people around on this site is to have good, insightful, useful, funny posts, to the extent that newcomers look past things that make them uncomfortable because the posts are just that good.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 28 points 5 months ago

newcomers look past things that make them uncomfortable because the posts are just that good

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago

that's true. as a young trot i was so desperate for a community of like-minded leftists i looked past the """"tankie"""" and eventually came to realise that i was wrong

[-] voight@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

The news mega has been good enough for so long that I think everyone should be pretty skeptical of people showing up and arguing the formula of the site should be oriented around them now. Likely getting jealous! I don't blame them. What sre they supposed to browse? I have my crazy RSS feed but nobody will even listen to me about how to set that shit up.

this post was submitted on 15 Jan 2024
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