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Inspired by recent discussions, I think Hexbear has a lot of good information about socialism but I wonder if the relentless defense of AES on Hexbear means shooting ourselves in the foot, since many potential leftists have been thoroughly primed to react negatively to AES states?

We’re not getting our messages out when progressive instances have already pre-emptively blocked us and calling us “tankies”.

People are being turned away without even taking the opportunity to read some of the stuff here, because they already have a pre-conceived notion about Hexbear being filled with “crazy tankies who defend totalitarianism”.

I know there have been a lot of propaganda and fabrication being perpetuated about socialist countries, and it feels “right” to defend them against these false accusations, but I wonder if this is doing more harm than good for the present day nascent socialist movement, at least in the Western countries?

We can remain on the current course and feel indignant about the tankie accusations, but will forever remain as a niche “tankie” community.

Or, we can open ourselves up, by toning down the admiration for the socialist states so we are not being treated as hostile by the other instances, and thus opening up the opportunities to have productive interactions with users (and potential leftists) from other instances?

(I do have my own position, you probably know which one it is, but I’m willing to hear from others and reevaluate my own opinions if needed).

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. All points are well taken. Thank you.

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[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

You do realize a lot of the people we need to appeal to aren't westerners right? Not everyone on this site is from the US or UK or western Europe or another anglo-nation, although that is the predominate userbase most likely as it's an english site primarily. Just as prospective baby libs might get spooked off by defense of AES and defense even of non-socialist "dictatorships" such as Libya, Syria, Russia, Iran, Yemen keep in mind that prospective hexbears from 2nd and 3rd world countries might get spooked off by inadequate international solidarity, social-chauvinism and insufficient anti-imperialism generally from westerners here. Your "filter" cuts both ways, and I'd rather have one group here than the other