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The Supreme Court on Tuesday passed up a chance to intervene in the debate over bathrooms for transgender students, rejecting an appeal from an Indiana public school district.

Federal appeals courts are divided over whether school policies enforcing restrictions on which bathrooms transgender students can use violate federal law or the Constitution.

In the case the court rejected without comment, the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an order granting transgender boys access to the boys’ bathroom. The appeal came from the Metropolitan School District of Martinsville, about 30 miles (48 kilometers) southwest of Indianapolis.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 149 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (27 children)

Why would anyone care where people go the bathroom? Where do you think transsexuals have been going all these years? What nonsense.

[–] RedSeries@lemmy.world 84 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Hey! I appreciate your support, trans rights are human rights!

In the future, could you please use transgender instead of transexual? The latter is a really dated term and ties a gender and societal issue to sexuality. While they may be closely associated, they're not the same thing and any little bit helps break that association.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 91 points 8 months ago (22 children)

I've proven I can't remember this kind of stuff, but I'll try.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

That’s how it’s done, people.

[–] RedSeries@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

That's all anyone can ask of you. It's appreciated!

[–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago

Good on you for working on it though!

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[–] Cogency@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Seconded, transgender is more accurate and how we describe ourselves.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The one exception is older trans folk who use that label because it is the one that resonated with them when they were figuring themselves out. Despite the label's history with transmedicalism some of the elders are not down to have their identities questioned by us younger folk and their experiences are valid.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Mostly true, but I am a transexual in my 30's. I agree that trans is the best term to use for our community. But when I refer to myself transsexual is the term I use. Transgender is still accurate of course, but it doesn't quite feel right as I talk about the differences between sex and gender to people.

But that's just me, and you are absolutely right that everyone should use whatever term they are comfortable with.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Please forgive my error, I think you are the first I've personally met under 50 that has embraced the label. I must admit that there is a bit of me that twinges with the carrying on of it but also recognize that's partially a me problem. Trans medicalism and the distinction of having to possess a fully changed physicality to be accepted by both outside and inside the trans community has traditionally been the hammer weilded by binary trans folk against the non-binary trans community as a "you're not a REAL trans person" style accusation so it generally makes me personally a bit skittish hearing "trans sexual" from anyone my age or younger.

But it's largely the fault of pressures that effect us all. When someone is under pressure to glean any amount of respectability to survive cracks form in solidarity and some will take the opportunity to point to the next person down the line that's even harder to understand and go "Oh, I'm nothing look at them. Aren't I just reasonable by comparison? " I think nowadays I see more growing solidarity inside the community than a decade ago but the memory of those divisions and the language used still makes me twitch.

But inside the non-binary trans community we have a similar bit of friction with people who use it/its pronouns... Like for a lot of us that is very VERY unwelcome because it has dehumanizing connotations but for some that is legit what they feel best supported by in their experience. I know some inside the group have the gut instinct to feel kind of undercut by that minority inside our minority for creating a "bad" example to the straights but the world is full of nuance and it can probably afford some extra.

It's just unfortunate even when there's a lot of us around in a place a lot of cis folk don't know the very basics of what is common good practice versus what is kind of a special case. It drives the instinct to self police more then we should have to.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Please forgive my error, I think you are the first I've personally met under 50 that has embraced the label.

/phew I was a little worried that you would just tell me 30s count as old. 😉

But I understand completely where you are coming from, and let me just take a moment to entirely refute the entire concept of "truscum transmedaclist non binary erasure", it's gate keeping bigotry that has no basis in understanding of gender and just pure outdated hogwash. Very much not an ideology I agree with nor support. You are absolutely allowed to feel however you like about the term transexual, we all have our own personal history that comes with emotional responses. Yours are very understandable, and even if I couldn't understand it, you would still be valid in those feels.

For me, this type of conversation comes up a lot around the term "queer", which I prefer to use as a more encompassing alternative to LGBTQIA+ acronyms. But at the same time, I also recognize that there are people who have had the term applied to them in a defamatory way and I don't blame em an inch for feeling reticent to reclaim the term for themselves.

At its core, it's just the pedantic in me that feels like transexual is the best term to describe my body when I look in the mirror. I haven't, and don't have plans to, have any trans related surgery. But with my particular combination of secondary sexual traits, transsexual just feels "right". However, I also know that because I haven't had surgery there are transmedaclists out that will say I'm not a "real transexual" either. Far be for me to think I am any different from any other trans person, no one is more or less trans based off their medical history or diagnostic requirements and that is a terrible metric to use for identity. Much less identity policing of others.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah no worries on the 30's thing. I am pushing 40 and have actually had the "Ummm yaaa Aren't you a little old to be a non-binary?" levied at me... Like it's a fad for edgy teens and not something that I had to shelve for 20 years because I figured people would think me a loon for outwardly expressing because nobody talked about it.

I am lucky to be in a place were I have been able to meet older trans folk because the community where I am has been a stronghold of queer identities since before it was more widely accepted as cool. There is a bit of reverence inside the community to be had for anybody who survived the AIDS epidemic and the rough persecution of those times, particularly trans activists over 60 who have been out aince rocks were soft there maintains a "I eat roofing nails instead of cereal for breakfast and honey badger don't give a shit" vibe about them. From that very select demographic "trans sexual" almost seems to have like a "badge of honor" status where heaven help the little shit who tries to call them "transgender" because they will turn you inside out with a stare and incinerate what's left with words.

Like I have gotten some real bad enbyphobia off of one of them and have had secondhand warnings regarding others but the general concensus amoungst others in the Pride volunteer realm is kind of like they get a free pass.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

They have a whole ~~fantasy~~ conspiracy they've cooked up where we're sneaking in to women's restrooms to do human trafficking and dark web revenge porn and shit.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

And that's the typical projection of the conservatives who revealed that they would do that if they had the ability.

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 7 points 8 months ago

If a trans man sneaks into the boys room, everybody in the room spontaneously turns gay.

If a trans woman sneaks into the girls room, it’s a lesbian orgy.

I don’t make the facts.

[–] maness300@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think a bigger concern are regular men using this as an excuse to creep on women in bathrooms.

At least that's what I hear women saying. They're afraid of men using their restrooms.

[–] CultHero@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

It's so much easier for a cis man to say he's a trans man than for a cis man to dress as a woman and try to pass as a trans woman.

[–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not saying you haven't, but I've never once heard a woman afraid of men creeping on women in the bathroom. But I'm curious, aside from someone outside the bathroom doors either checking genitals or birth certificates, how exactly would enforcement of a bathroom bill work?

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They don’t think we’ve been around for years.

[–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago

I'm reading this super awesome book called "before we were trans" That kind of goes over the history of gender non-conformity and transgender identities. It's fucking amazing

[–] PapaStevesy@midwest.social 11 points 8 months ago

They don't believe transexuals exist.

[–] schwim@reddthat.com 11 points 8 months ago

I don't have anything to back it up but I think it's a large group's correlation between trans/gay == pedophilia. When I was a kid, my mom(southern baptist republican) didn't differentiate between gay people and illegal sexual activity like molestation(this was in the 80s). If my mom had been told that a guy that viewed himself as a girl wanted to use the girl's restroom, she would have immediately decided it was because he wanted to do something terrible to the girls.

I think the main reason for that is because her God told her gay people were going to hell.. It made it easy for her to view them as evil.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Worse: they are expending huge amounts of tax dollars over the right to act in a discriminatory way.

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