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[–] ben_dover@lemmy.world 128 points 10 months ago (5 children)

"saved democracy in Europe"? i'd argue democracy works better here than in the US of A, and certainly not due to any US president

[–] ammonium@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Saved from a Russian invasion. It's a bit exaggerated, but not entirely untrue I believe.

[–] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Europe has contributed more money than USA, so they can share a little less than half the credit.

It's basically the same deal as WW2 - sure, the USA has had a big impact - but Europe's not exactly shirked its share of the heavy lifting.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago

Not only that, but Putin has essentially started a 2nd cold war, with Iran and China as allies. This has not been prevented, the US is just helping fight it while they can (Trump clearly won't, and it's clear GQP majority in congress has stopped a big portion of this aid).

In regards to "saved democracy", the US should look to Europe to save its own. It is because of coalitions based democracy based on a plurality of parties that values compromises even if each party has their own goals, that reactionary populism has been denied because of its inability to compromise or make promises that could be trusted. In Europe, third party votes matter, and party shenanigans to keep candidates out by dividing votes during primaries is not a thing. Europe is still susceptible, but not as much. At least manage to stop a near century of gerrymandering, can the US at least do that?

[–] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Kinda missing the forest for the trees there

[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Where do you think Europe would draw the line with Russia?