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A federal judge has gone to great lengths to make clear Trump really did rape E. Jean Carroll
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Colloquially, we still call them rapists, even if the legal term is different. Similarly, we don’t call people common assaulted, even if that’s the legal term. They are attackers, etc.
"Colloquial rape", unfortunately, doesn't cut the mustard in a legal setting. This is, apparently, a particularly relevant subject when discussing rape law in NY.
This also actually points to something I've used as a challenge for people who are hard lined right/vs/wrong:
If someone robs a bank, but they aren't caught, are they still a bank robber?
No, of course not. Legally it's sexual assault. It still meets that criteria from all I've seen. We still call female perpetrators rapists, even though without a penis they don't meet the criteria.
You're missing the point. Hes done something the judge considers rape. He's a rapist. It also didn't happen in the UK, so even with a penis it wouldn't meet the criteria.
However, if it had happened in the UK, he'd still face the same legal repurcussions and everyone would call him a rapist. Legally, though, h d be guilty of sexual assault rather than rape.
No, it happened in NY, which happens to have a somewhat similar legal definition of rape requiring penetration with the penis - per the article.
He was convicted in NY of sexual assault with his fingers, but the jury stopped short of a rape conviction involving his penis. If the same reasoning had been made in a UK court, then he would have had the same conviction.
No, it was a civil case, not criminal. It was about defamation.
Yes, a civil case in NY, in which a jury ruled that Trump had committed sexual assault.
The fun part is that, while sexual assault is a crime and a court has ruled he did that, he's still not actually convicted of the crime of sexual assault - we can say it's more than 50% likely he did it, but we can't quite say it's more than 99%.
It's a bit like OJ Simpson, who got off on the criminal murder charge, but then lost the civil case for killing. Except in this case there was no criminal trial.