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People at Bonn protesting against Nazi cunts singing Ode to Joy

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[–] mrmanager 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You become what you fight, very easily, if you are not careful.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah that’s one of those platitudes that sounds nice but is not actually backed up by any science.

[–] mrmanager 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kind of obvious how it works isn't it? You become hateful as you fight evil, and you become more and more accepting of cruelty as long as it's to the enemy. Happens in wars all the time.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like I said it sounds plausible and logical, but that doesn’t actually translate to being true.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Actually, it does. Since the AFD had more voters in the eastern states of Germany (that was DDR in the past) bigotry against people from eastern Germany have increased again. It was never completely gone, but now you find people openly speculating people from eastern Germany are less intelligent, "inbreds", etc. And that comes a lot from supposedly anti-fascist leftists.

A lot of people just want violence or don't like people in general or have something else wrong with them and believe slapping an "anti-fascist" label on their violence somehow makes it good violence. Other ways do work and they are a better choice. Insulting, being cruel and being violent against people should never be your go-to idea and you certainly shouldn't be trying to shame people into being violent.

Many AFD voters can be turned in better ways, instead of making them fear violence and insults.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Philosophy ain't really a science bud.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cool so let’s not take it as fact and repeat it like it’s true.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So give me the science to back it up.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can't really be this silly. You can't ethically study this shit, it would need two groups, a control group that doesn't get desensitized by the horrible things the other group does to people. But you can personally observe the changes in people of places of authority and stress over time. There's maybe a few studies in the past, like the Stanford one, Milgram I think, that ethicists discourage.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Stanford prison experiment was faked mate. Guards were told to act cruel and the results were pre-written.

Biological truths such as 'x causes y in humans' needs to be backed up by some very serious science, a few choice studies from the 60s barely scratch the surface of that. Because there are a million influencing factors in each and everyone's life that can drastically change the way we respond to events.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you this big a wanker IRL?

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because I don't believe simplistic statements about human behaviour as true because they sound good?

If that makes me a wanker, sure whatever floats your boat mate.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It does, it absolutely does. How do you function without simple pattern recognition?

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you function believing everything you hear?

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Common sense and not waiting for science to figure out how to study abstract aspects of human nature that can't really be quantified like that.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, so you literally just take as fact things that you feel are are 'common sense'.

Okay well there's no use wasting anymore time on someone like you.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

So you are that big a wanker IRL.