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[–] klemptor@startrek.website 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I really agree. Neelix's obnoxious behavior and strange jealousy / possessiveness of Kes was a real disservice to his character for the first few seasons and initially I couldn't stand him. He improved a lot once he and Kes broke up. It was an uncomfortable relationship to watch anyway because Kes was maybe the equivalent of a very sheltered, naive 18-year-old human, and Neelix was clearly a middle-aged dude who had been around the block a few times. He was half controlling parent, half controlling boyfriend and it was just weird.

He became such a wonderful, warm person as the series went on. Godfather to Naomi, took his jobs as chef and morale officer seriously (even though everyone ungratefully complained about his cooking!), trained as a security officer, and always a friendly ear to anyone who needed him.

I'll also make this argument in his favor: Neelix didn't have much of an ego, whereas the Doctor was unbearable at times. Neelix's EQ was much higher.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think you can explain most of Neelix's behavior in the first few seasons on severe PTSD considering what happened to him before he went on the run.

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 3 points 10 months ago

This is a very fair take. We see a very different and haunted Neelix in Jetrel.

[–] yuriy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

For many people Neelix is a write off because of just how gross his relationship with Kes is. It’s a shame too, his introduction to the series is 100% wildcard. I was most excited about his character when I watched the first time. And then all my excitement was spoiled by constant couch talk about how Neelix is just a gross pedophile.

Some real whacky choices were made with voy.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This, exactly. Neelix was a pretty unmoored character in a show where each character’s development relied heavily upon interplay on a counterpart. Neelix only had Kes to rely on, but Kes was the Doctor’s counterpart. Mostly, which left Neelix not much to play on, but the jealousy for the first part of the series. It resulted just as you described, poorly.

Once Seven was introduced, and a bunch of other characters could connect to her, and then Neelix could connect to both Naomi and to Seven, everything really fell into place for both Neelix, and for a bunch of other characters. 

Kes was a real drag on the show for so very many reasons. I was so glad when they got rid of her character.