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Tankie's original use was for British communists who supported Soviet military expansion. In the modern sense, it is used to describe communists who are authoritarian-apologists. For example, a communist who romanticizes the Soviet Union or makes excuses for the Uyghur genocide is a tankie. I've also seen it stretched to include militant anti-capitalists, or more commonly, "militant," anti-capitalists who call for violent resistance to capitalism from the safety of a keyboard.

Democratic-Socialists are not tankies. Socialists are not tankies. I don't even think most communists qualify as tankies. Criticizing Democrats does not make you a tankie. Condemning Israel's human rights violations does not make you a tankie. Voting third party doesn't make you a tankie. I see this term used here every day, but never correctly.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Words change meaning over time. This is how language works. What it used to mean isn’t what it means now.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's why I outlined how this term went from describing British communists who supported the Soviet's use of tanks during the Hungarian Revolution to generally pro-authoritarian communists to communists who call for violent resistance to capitalism (especially online). There's a difference between a word's meaning shifting over time and someone misusing or misunderstanding a word so badly they've lost its meaning.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Again, the definition of the word changed. It’s how these things work. Now, it seems to pretty much describe trendy socialists that pick a hot button single issue to be upset about- troll the internet with noses about it, and pretend they actually could have point on a map to where said events are happening six months ago.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I don't think most people in this community would agree with the definition you just laid out, and as I said, this community is already misusing the word. What you're describing is closer to the, "dirtbag left," than anything else. You're stretching the definition so far past, "pro-authoritarian-left," that it's ridiculous. It would be like if I started calling Biden supporters, "Bernie Bros," and said the definition had shifted to include any supporter of a left-of-center male candidate. It's so incorrect it's made the word meaningless.

[–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm what most people would describe as left, and authoritarianism is the antithesis of what I believe in.

Calling every leftist a tankie removes nuance to political discourse and groups people together who don’t believe the same things, whose views are sometimes totally opposed.

It’s worth pushing back on how the meaning of this word is changing. OP is not arguing it should only apply to British communists, only that it should not be used as a cudgel against every leftie.

edit: spelling

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Right. So as an example, "Tankie" currently means "anyone not overjoyed at Biden's support for genocide."