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[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Diplomatic action would include stuff like not vetoing UN censure resolutions or reducing embassy staff or issuing specific public criticism.

Remember the French government officially telling the GWB administration that we should not invade Iraq, that it would be a disaster, and that they would not support us if we did? That's what diplomatic action trying to talk down a long- term ally bent on bloody reprisals after a terrorist attack looks like. It has actual costs, it has actual stakes.

Saying "hey, you're making me look bad here!" while continuing to ship arms and provide military support is far weaker than I'd prefer.

I think it's both a moral and strategic failing.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, that is a misconception brought on by a poor understanding of aid for Israel and Palestine.

The EU was laboring under the same misconception you are, that if you give a country complete military control over a region, they will still act in everyone's best interest rather than their own.

That's why different EU leaders have been saying " hey, we might want to take back control of some of the regions of the world, rather than be completely reliant on US policy."

Because of course immediately following a major terrorist attack, the u.s is going to continue to back a 70-year mutual defense Ally who is extremely active in furthering US interest stability in the region.

Also that Iraq war metaphor you used to demonstrate diplomatic action? Exactly what Biden is doing right now, he has told netanyahu that he won't support an extended war and that he focusing on a two-state solution. Exactly the same thing.

Duplomatic de-escalation is not a strategic failing.

Biden isn't telling netanyahu that he's making him look bad, Biden is telling netanyahu that he won't support and extended war on Palestine and that he's focusing on a two-state solution, which no other president has done.

He's directly contradicting one of the oldest active us allies, I would agree based on public outcry and based on his compassionate civil policies and practical political realities, presumably on moral grounds as well.

What happens if Biden immediately abandons an ally of 70 years?

Of course his reactions are weaker than you prefer, he is the commander-in-chief of the most powerful military globally, stationed across more than 100 countries in, and it's a single issue among literally hundreds he is directly engaging with.

Your perspective, understanding and comprehension of these situations and that of the president of the United States probably don't exactly match.