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Cory Doctorow wants to wipe away enshittification of tech (www.theregister.com)

submitted 9 months ago by will_a113@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Doctrow argues that nascent tech unionization (which we're closer to having now than ever before) combined with bipartisan fear (and consequent regulation) either directly or via agencies like the FTC and FCC can help to curb Big Tech's power, and the enshittification that it has wrought.

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[–] cygon@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Agreed, companies will try to game any such regulations (just like tax laws, labor laws and such, those just had a lot of time to mature). The "free-time-for-gardening" program, too, would make city dwellers without access to community gardens balk and maybe fake gardens with rubber plants would become a thing to claim that gardening time without gardening :)

Regarding UBI, the counter argument is that if companies like Walmart paid scraps for hard work, it would allow people to simply leave. Same for cleaning sewers or emptying trash bins. It could be an instrument that adjusts economic rewards away from "how much revenue does the worker generate" towards "how bearable is the work."

Should we really be exploring experimental economic policies when we can’t even implement the economic policies that have been proven to work?

How about we focus on tax the rich, raise minimum wage. Once those are implemented then we can brainstorm other ideas.

I believe we should do both. This "waiting for the right moment" or "focus on one thing only" can be a fallacy, imho, that leads to well polished counters from reactionaries and less motivation in supporters.

I think having more space hippie ideas will inspire many more people than boring minimum wage or tax increase fights, so it may well recruit more people and thus bring more pressure towards better labor.
I also think it would help overwhelm counter-messaging. Imagine think tanks would have to counter a hundred wild ideas rather and being able to fine tune messaging against the small number of what we have now.
Symbiosis: if everyone has two or three inspiring wild ideas floating in their heads, it shifts views in general. And beliefs that support a sexy solar punk utopia will also be applicable to boring labor reform ideas.
With the whole climate situation and resource scarcity (like oil and rare earths), de-growth is coming eventually. For the current system, that would likely mean an endless great depression. Brainstorming crazy ideas for a less consumerist type of economy may well be a boon.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Regarding UBI, the counter argument is that if companies like Walmart paid scraps for hard work, it would allow people to simply leave.

Leave for what? another minimum wage job? UBI is just a subsidy for corporations. Businessmen like Andrew Yang promoted it to confuse the discussion around increasing minimum wage. And it worked... minimum wage was not increased.

I believe we should do both. This “waiting for the right moment” or “focus on one thing only” can be a fallacy, imho, that leads to well polished counters from reactionaries and less motivation in supporters.

There is such a thing as political capital. Bernie Sanders has the right idea, keep talking about the 1%, keep talking about raising taxes on the wealthy, keep talking about raising minimum wage to build support for these policies.

I think having more space hippie ideas will inspire many more people than boring minimum wage or tax increase fights

It will inspire more opposition. "See this is what those hippies want, are you going to vote for that?"

Having people divided on various single issue groups that want different policies means no on gets anything. Taxing the rich and raising minimum wage is boring because it works. Experiments are fun because you don't know whether it will work or not. But when an economic policy doesn't work, it negatively impacts people's lives.

It's feasible to get people to agree on taxing the rich. It's feasible to get people to agree to increase minimum wage. But if we're busy debating planting gardens or whatever, we aren't going to debating the things that we can win on.

[–] cygon@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Leave for nothing if UBI is high enough. Otherwise, couch-surf. Temporarily move to a shared house. Or just have a few months extra to hunt for a job without getting evicted.

I think we just have to disagree on whether a vast cloud of progressive ideas or total focus on one or two realistic ideas is better.

My belief is that it helps. That opposition is good. Let them waste all their ammo, let them help spread the message, let them get the impression that there are so many progressive demands that it shifts the general tone. Some ideas or aspects of ideas will stick, even with the opposition.

And while they're fighting hippie space pirates, we'll pass an automatic minimum wage adjustment. Progressives have been on the defense far too long. I want a new 1968 :)

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

The problem with UBI is it isn't going to address a lot problems around people being unable to work because of physical or mental health issues. You need a welfare system to addresses those issues.

So with higher minimum wage, an unemployment insurance program, and a welfare system, what's the point of UBI? It doesn't fulfill the needs that existing systems do when properly funded and updated for inflation. It's really just a subsidy to companies that don't want to pay their employees well. This is why guys like Andrew Yang want it. And there's a lot of people out there that want it because who doesn't want to get a monthly check from the government? And people are generally attracted to these "one weird trick to fix the economy, economists hate him!" kind of policies.

But the reality is that economics isn't simple, there are no quick fixes. There are people with different needs so there needs to be different programs to fulfill those needs. Someone with a health condition isn't going to survive off of a small amount of money and couch surfing. Someone who has a well paying job and lives in a place that has high rent or mortgage payments then suddenly finds themself unemployed isn't going to be able to pay their bills with UBI.

So UBI is just an excuse to scrap necessary welfare programs, and not raise minimum wage. Couch surfing isn't a solution to housing problems. There's only so many couches and eventually you end up with homelessness.