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yeah i don't get the hate for the epic store, who tf is annoyed by free games. And the Store isn't that bad sure it doesn't have as many functions as steam, but thats not necessarily bad steam has a lot of useless stuff. As a store the experience with epic is much more streamlined
Store doesn't even work on Linux
Oh my fucking god Lemmy, enough with the Linux. Every thread with the Linux.
You are annoyed that an open source website populated by nerds has a lot of Linux users?
What do you think Lemmy servers run on? What do you think the developers who made Lemmy use? I'll give you a hint, it's the thing you want people to stop talking about
No.
This whole thing runs on FOSS.
What's the issue with it?
i use pop os btw
Go use xitter or threads then.
The Lord Commander
Just use the store in the browser. And if you meant the client, it's garbage anyways. I'm happy with Heroic Launcher. I take the free games and just never spend a dime with them. Fools
No offense but if you're seriously using Linux for gaming than then idk what to tell you most games don't even support Linux and those who do normally stop after a while f.e. Rocket League even years before Epic got involved
Where have you been the last couple of years? Thanks to steam and their fork of wine you can play a large chunk of games on Linux.
Steam Deck runs on Linux, maybe think for a moment before pulling bs arguments from your behind.
Oh no! It doesn't work on a platform that's used by... let me check... 1.44% of Steam's userbase!
Get over it, Linux users don't represent a big enough base to bother, that's it, that's all.
Okay but like, you asked why people don't like Epic Store, then told them to get over it.. now you see why people don't like Epic Store bootlickers either
Steam Deck begs to differ
It's public data... It has increased 0.4% in a year and was going down from 2014 to 2018. Heck, is only 0.3% higher than in 2014!
Now, how much work and money did it require to get that 1.44% and how many of them are people that wouldn't have otherwise installed Steam on a Windows partition?
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
No, Linux support is not worth the trouble, nor is OSX support, except to be the only platform to cater to that market.
Totally. Let's just stick with our corporate overlords. Market share can't be changed by people making better decisions.
Edit: also, "market share" in the context of FOSS is pretty silly. For all we know, most Linux users spoof the user agent.
For all we know, most Linux users spoof the user agent.Really? That's the argument you're going for?
Thats news to me since I am using it just fine on Linux through bottles.
You can only like one thing, thems the rules
Xbox or playstation, coke or Pepsi, dicks or puss
Then you have to go online and talk shit about the ones you didn't pick.
It's in the bible.
Epic Games hasn't done it much lately, but when they first launched they paid a few big games to be Epic Games Store exclusives which is obviously anti-consumer behaviour. That and they're owned by China, so the chances of your data being funneled out to China is practically 100%. Also, Epic has historically been critical of gaming on Linux with the CEO going so far as to say that Linux users are a bunch of whiners and that Epic will never support Linux just to spite them. A very immature response to say the least.
Tencent owns a 40% share of epic. While that is really considerable, it does not mean they are "owned by China". Tim Sweeney is the majority shareholder.
The Data collection would be a solid point, but the people who loudly voice that concern are normally the people who have 500+ hours in LoL, Valo, Clash of Clans, Clash Royal etc., all of them from companies that are mostly/ completely (Riot Games 100%,Supercell 85%) owned by tencent, while they own less than 50% of Epic, yet for some reason the possibility of data collected by China is only a big problem for people, when it comes to Epic Games.
Also as a european, i don't really care if the Data gets funneled to the USA or China, both equally bad imo.
This is super off-topic but since you have a more reasonable stance on this than I usually see in the wild, I need to ask: Do you truly think the US is no worse than China or are you speaking in terms of impact on your life personally? (the latter would be fair in this context too, just wondering)
a) Tencent has a minority share b) what the fuck is China going to do with my data? Target ads a little more precisely the one time a year I go on newegg or whatever? Shouldn't you be much more concerned about an entity like Amazon, Google, or Microsoft having that information? And it's not like at least two of those don't have a history of working with the US government and others, i.e. governments that actually impact your life.
Ah yes the completly new anti-consumer method of exclusives that Epic invented and only Epic does, it totally hasn't been around since the start of gaming or something.
EDIT - Turns out, I had my info somewhat outdated, this was introduced at some point recently, at least with some retailers.
However, on second check it doesn't apply to games with Epic Store exclusivity, apparently (or at least the ones I've checked). It seems to only apply to games that are not exclusive. So concern still valid, unfortunately.
If someone has more info about it I'd love to hear it because it looks unclear at the moment.
And being against them is centralising the market in Valve's hands, which is exactly what people feared would happen when they released Steam and started having games release exclusively on their platform.
They give a better share of sales to the devs and also guarantee revenues, which means some games would never have seen the light of day/some devs would have gone bankrupt without Epic supporting them.
So by not supporting them you're also sitting yourself in the foot.
Oh and by the way, Epic's free games are DRM free in the vast majority of cases... Guess that's a bad thing too for some reason?
Tencent, a Chinese company is a major owner of Epic. Westerners simply hate Chinese owned tech due to political reasons. Huawei and especially TikTok are other examples.
Yes, purely political reasons, there is no other reason to be wary of proprietary chinese software.
Of course there are other concerns but politics is the main one. There's little reason to think for example Samsung, Instagram or even Steam are any more safer than the previously mentioned Chinese owned alternatives. They all collect, store and sell every bit of data they possibly can benefit from.
Your examples are a bit odd, people constantly bitch about everything Samsung and Meta do, to the degree that even tech philistines are aware of it. Tencent is, in most of the ways that matter, just a branch of the Chinese government and a severe privacy violator in more tangible ways than ad space profitability improvements. Steam rarely jails people, Chinese companies phoning home helps do just that.
China is going to put me, an American in America, in jail using a game launcher?
Do you intend to visit china after disparaging it?
hmm, I guess it depends on your definition of disparage, but the thing is that even if I was out here in America hawking the most shameless bullshit, China wouldn't do shit when I visited short of question me a bit harder in customs because arresting me for pretty benign actions I took in another country as someone with no affiliation with China would typically be considered kidnapping under international law. Of course, America calls most instances of its enemies arresting its citizens kidnapping, but China rarely arrests Americans (including when tourism to China was higher) or foreign citizens in general.
Reddit geopolitics work a lot better when they stick to vague insinuations and cartoonish hyperbole, because when you drill down and try to set realistic expectations based on the information available, it falls apart completely.
Because I instantly pegged you as a tanky, I’m going to be brief. You don’t intend to disparage china but do intend to go there so I sincerely wish you a fun trip! China’s great, if you know where to go and what to do. I also hope you don’t win the lottery and end up a geopolitical token during a disagreement between states, as happened a few years ago to some Australians and Canadians abroad. Avoid patriating and you’re just about as safe as you believe.
I have criticized China, you can dig around on my Hexbear account if you really like and find that (@GarbageShoot)*, but China isn't nearly as afraid of criticism as the "literally 1984" redditors say, it just has a practical sensitivity over issues of sovereignty that they fail to understand as part of a coherent ideology other than hyper-defensiveness (go figure, Redditors are politically illiterate).
China is a very diverse place with a wide spectrum of ideology -- most of which I disagree with, going by rough estimations based on recent statements from their central committee. Speaking in terms of meaningful factions that have sway above the municipal level, I'd say they are much more diverse than the US in this respect, since the US is characterized more by the harshness of disagreement than the actual extremity of differences in overall policy. If we imagine Chinese politics on a spectrum from "Maoism" to "some hodgepodge of reactionary antiquarianism and desire to be a western vassal again, plus religious zealotry**" where the former is a 1 and the latter is a 10, our friend Xi seems to be at maybe a 4, I'm at about 3. I'm not a full-on ultra but I think there's some right-deviation going on (not as much as in past decades, admittedly). Are you following?
It feels a little unfair to dismiss me as a "tanky," I don't think I called you names, but at least you aren't being too mean beyond that. What do you mean "patriate"? That's something that countries do, as far as I can tell.
*I am completely confident that you won't actually find the remarks I'm talking about, but I think you'll trust me that they are there.
**This last part is mainly among rightist minority groups rather than the Han Chinese rightists, who mainly stick to the first two categories.
Mass surveillance and flagrant human rights violations are now """"political reasons."""" In other news, nothing happened at Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989.
I hate Tiktok because it's spyware. Show me the source code to prove me wrong.
I hate Epic because they abandoned the Unreal and Unreal Tournament series, delisted from any store(including single player games) and turned off the Master Server preventing official multiplayer.
I hate AAA game developers because of what the MBAs did to milk every cent of out of their customers.
First impressions matter and Epic fucked up big time when they launched the store. There were a lot of missing features that were available on other storefronts and it was a pain to use. Another thing that really pissed people off was when they made exclusivity deals for games that were crowdfunded. A lot of people did not like that they lost the ability to play on a platform that they preferred when they directly contributed to a game being made. It was also scummy to make deals for games that were already announced on Steam (i.e. Metro: Exodus, Darq) While the store is better now and they're funding games instead of making exclusivity deals, there is a reason why a lot of people do not trust Epic or continue to dislike them despite the free games.
Yeah... I still remember when they gave a game away by mistake (it simply had a price tag of 0 dollars) and took it back right after saying that they would have let users keep it if they did such mistake. That's funny