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[–] numberfour002@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Seeing the up votes and down votes in this thread, I realize this is an unpopular "opinion" but the flowers didn't necessarily evolve to look like hummingbirds specifically. That many people see it as looking hummingbird-like is more a reflection of the human mind's ability to find patterns and connections even when they don't exist. It's interesting and pretty for sure, and definitely a curiosity.

Same thing for the "monkey orchid". You see a monkey because the flowers are photographed at an unnatural angle and forced perspective, the photos online where the effect is most visible are the ones with lots of compression artifacts and generally poor quality, and because of the power of suggestion. If you saw these in person (without prior context of the photos), there's a good chance you wouldn't even notice the face-like visage unless pointed out.

On the other hand, the "bee orchids" actually are an example where it seems that the flowers have evolved in a way that specifically mimics the appearance of bees (and wasps). These flowers mostly attract male bees and wasps who confuse them for lovely lady bees and wasps and try to mate with the flowers. In the process, they pick up a pollen sac / pollinia, and if all goes well they end up pollinating the flower (or move on to pollinate another one).

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

There are examples of biological mimicry that result from natural selection pressures, leading to the evolution of such an organism.

Heres one thought experiment on why this plant’s evolution to mimic a hummingbird is not that unlikely (keeping in mind that mutations are random, and whatever ends up succeeding due to natural selection pressures doesn’t necessarily imply a deterministic process):

-hummingbirds select to drink from plants that other hummingbirds visit, leading to

-plant reproducing more because hummingbirds drinking from one flower to another helps with pollination, leading to

-plant evolving to look like other hummingbirds drinking from it so real hummingbirds drink from it

We can’t know for sure without doing research of course, but we have enough understanding of natural selection and evolutionary processes to reason about such mechanisms for existing organisms :)

Edit: doesn’t matter if plant native to Australia.You know continents were joined at one point, and evolution takes hundreds or millions of years at times. Also, I don’t mind being mistaken for chat gpt, I am shit posting anyway lol.

[–] numberfour002@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I completely disagree, we can know for sure. This plant is native to Australia. There are no native hummingbirds in Australia. The flowers evolved to look like this before there were hummingbirds around it.

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Does it have to be hummingbirds? Surely there are other birds at that size

[–] numberfour002@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I am specifically mentioning hummingbirds, since that's the title, in the image, and the bulk of the discussion in this thread when I looked at it this morning. That being said, no, I don't think it has to be hummingbirds.

Keep in mind, these flowers are significantly smaller than most (if not all) hummingbirds, and hummingbirds themselves are amongst the smallest, if not the smallest, birds in the world. So, any species of bird that these flowers attract are going to be significantly larger than the flowers.

Not to mention that virtually all birds that feed from flowers have excellent visual acuity, that's almost a requirement for them to be successful with this feeding strategy. It seems highly unlikely that the birds would have a difficult time identifying that these are flowers and instead confusing them as a flock of miniature birds feeding from the plant. And, to me, that pretty much negates any argument for selective pressures on the flowers to have birdlike appearance for that purpose.

At least with the example of the "bee orchids" I mentioned in a prior comment, the selective pressures and the overall context make sense and appear to explain why the flowers have evolved to look like female bees and wasps. But the "hummingbird flower" from Australia that kind of resembles the profile of a hummingbird if viewed from a specific angle and out of context doesn't really hold up, in my opinion.

[–] DriftinGrifter@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] reptar@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What's your excuse

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