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Israel has the better weapons and allies in terms of military power. That's not always the most important thing, but what are the prospects of Palestina being successful? And what possible allies will they have? I don't see Iran coming to help anytime soon tbh.
I see the situation as a Warsaw Ghetto Uprising situation. They aren’t meant to succeed. It’s a desperate measure to risk it all for a chance of survival, or die trying.
The Germans had more men who were experienced, veteran soldiers with tanks, and superior weapons; but the Jewish fighters still tried.
It’s a suicide mission, but they’ve accepted the costs. We can only hope for their success.
Coincidentally, I was just thinking about how the Jews in Axis‐occupied Warsaw and the Palestinians today have more common with each other than either of them have with the Zionist ruling class. Perhaps the Warsaw Jews and the Zionist ruling class are closer to each other in terms of heritage, but in what really matters—situations, experiences, circumstances, spirit—it’s no contest: the Palestinians and the Warsaw Jews may as well be literal siblings. As for the Zionist ruling class, personally I’d say that it’s far more akin to the Ottoman Empire’s anti‐Armenian rulers than to Warsaw’s Jews.
As a gentile I tend to be very reluctant to compare anything to the Shoah, and if we want to discuss the technicalities, then yes, the oppression of Palestinians is not a one‐to‐one copy of the Shoah. But at the end of the day, the technicalities hardly matter: the Palestinians remain victims of colonial atrocities. Atrocities similar to what the Native Americans, the Aboriginal Australians, the Armenians, the Libyans, the Ethiopians, the Roma, and others have faced in history. That’s why I made an image of the neocolonial flag with the fascio littorio on it: if anybody finds the comparisons to the Third Reich inappropriate (and I agree that there are important differences…as well as similarities), it would suffice to draw comparisons to another atrocious empire in history instead.
warsaw uprising was very different though, the government of poland was trying to establish an anti-communist government before the soviets got there.
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was a desperate effort and bloody uprising by Jewish partisans in 1943 in response to the Waffen SS liquidating the ghetto and executing anyone who still remained.
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Warsaw Uprising were two different events nearly a year apart.
I saw Scott Ritter had some interesting insights that MSM, as usual, is missing: Palestinians have much more will to fight. Israelis are a settler nation and most of them have second citizenships they can flee to. Palestinians don't. For a Palestinian soldier the consequence of surrender is just a slower death than what they'd get if they keep fighting. An Israeli on the battlefield has a lot more to lose from taking any risks compared to fleeing. A Palestinian soldier has nowhere to flee to.
He also noted that if Hezbollah commit as well, all of Israel's neighbours are gonna see it as a now-or-never chance to finally rid themselves of having a nuclear-armed US puppet on their doorstep; and if they don't take it and let Israel make a bloodbath of Gaza and the West Bank, they'll become more stable and consolidated than ever.
In Biden’s speech, he talked about how he spoke to Golda Meir when he was a senator and she told him “We have a secret weapon: we have no where else to go.”
They have a lot more places to go than the people of Palestine.
To add to what you're arguing, every time Gaza is bombarded, more people are displaced, more people are left without a home, more people are radicalized and therefore the number of members in the militia grows. What is someone, who is physically apt to fight, going to do in such a situation? No home, nowhere to go unless you can somewhat cross half of occupied Palestine. Every member of the militia is nothing but a radicalized civilian, and every civilian is a potential militia member.
So, the most important answer we have so far to your question is that this appears to have been a massive victory for Palestinian counter-intelligence. If they managed to plan, prepare, and execute this without Israel or any of the 5 Eyes seeing it, then it tells us something profoundly important.
There are second order implications if this is true. The most important second order implication is that if their counter-intelligence is truly that good, then they're unlikely to have only used it to plan an initial strike. If your counter-intelligence is working that well, then it becomes possible to prepare and plan multiple moves into the future.
Another second order implication is that it is likely that Palestinian counter-intelligence did not develop on its own but instead with support from other actors. That would imply the existence of alliances that are providing some kind of support.
If both of those are true, then the second and third moves that are planned likely involve support from allies. That could be exit routes, it could be material support, it could be geopolitical support through diplomacy, sanctions, and threats.
A lot of this hinges on the assessment that Israeli and 5 Eyes intelligence failed here. If it did, then we are at the beginning of a longer unfolding of events and need to watch carefully to understand what's going on because if the West failed in this way, the propaganda is going to focus on hiding this failure and its implications.
Media over here already declared it a massive fuck up from Israeli and allied intelligence agencies. I think they actually did mess up. Which, for them, is a pretty worrying sign.