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Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Existence is resistance for Palestinians.
Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.
We always take the sides of Palestine and Palestinians and are unapologetic about it. Israel is an occupying power whose "defence force"'s (note the contradiction) sole purpose for existing is to push Palestinians out so they can resettle their rightful land. If you have anything positive to say about Israel we do not care.
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Israel dropped 6000 bombs in the last few days. That's as much as the US did on Afghanistan IN A YEAR. Afghanistan is 1800x bigger than Gaza.
My city just refused a pro Palestina protest that was planned tomorrow. The same city of which the far right mayor today remembered Israeli victims and called Palestina's uprising terrorism. The same city of which the police force has recently been trained by the Israeli police force.
The protest is still happening, albeit at a different place. And I'll be going.
My city just refused a protest
Freeze peach
Same mayor who wrote a book about freeze peach, woke and cancel culture btw
Stay safe, comrade.
Saw your comment about Western laws and such just now. You are right and it makes me a bit nervous for doing things like protest. The governments here are pro Israel and they are making that very clear. It's what their class interests tell them to do and they have the law and the law enforcement at their side.
But at the same time it's easy to yell Free Palestina and antifascism when things are relatively quiet. It's only when things get heated, like now, that these words can get a meaning. And I don't want to back down despite whatever danger I may face. Because if I do, they win anyway.
It's hard, isn't it? I wasn't sure whether to hit 'Reply' on that one as I didn't want it to be read as 'don't openly support Palestine'. We've just got to be careful about it. Avoid letting our enemies trap us into publicly supporting 'terrorist groups', because that could get you arrested at a protest, for example. Not that our enemies won't impose a false equivalence on us, anyway.
Keeping it slightly vague should be safe enough, I'd imagine. One of the good things about the performativity of liberalism is that it means some level of performativity is acceptable; and supporting Palestine is a part of that for many. Not for enough people, but for many. Lord knows there are enough crimes committed against Palestinians to protest all day every day about their treatment without needing to weigh up the actions of Hamas at a rally.
Israel has the better weapons and allies in terms of military power. That's not always the most important thing, but what are the prospects of Palestina being successful? And what possible allies will they have? I don't see Iran coming to help anytime soon tbh.
I see the situation as a Warsaw Ghetto Uprising situation. They aren’t meant to succeed. It’s a desperate measure to risk it all for a chance of survival, or die trying.
The Germans had more men who were experienced, veteran soldiers with tanks, and superior weapons; but the Jewish fighters still tried.
It’s a suicide mission, but they’ve accepted the costs. We can only hope for their success.
Coincidentally, I was just thinking about how the Jews in Axis‐occupied Warsaw and the Palestinians today have more common with each other than either of them have with the Zionist ruling class. Perhaps the Warsaw Jews and the Zionist ruling class are closer to each other in terms of heritage, but in what really matters—situations, experiences, circumstances, spirit—it’s no contest: the Palestinians and the Warsaw Jews may as well be literal siblings. As for the Zionist ruling class, personally I’d say that it’s far more akin to the Ottoman Empire’s anti‐Armenian rulers than to Warsaw’s Jews.
As a gentile I tend to be very reluctant to compare anything to the Shoah, and if we want to discuss the technicalities, then yes, the oppression of Palestinians is not a one‐to‐one copy of the Shoah. But at the end of the day, the technicalities hardly matter: the Palestinians remain victims of colonial atrocities. Atrocities similar to what the Native Americans, the Aboriginal Australians, the Armenians, the Libyans, the Ethiopians, the Roma, and others have faced in history. That’s why I made an image of the neocolonial flag with the fascio littorio on it: if anybody finds the comparisons to the Third Reich inappropriate (and I agree that there are important differences…as well as similarities), it would suffice to draw comparisons to another atrocious empire in history instead.
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So, the most important answer we have so far to your question is that this appears to have been a massive victory for Palestinian counter-intelligence. If they managed to plan, prepare, and execute this without Israel or any of the 5 Eyes seeing it, then it tells us something profoundly important.
There are second order implications if this is true. The most important second order implication is that if their counter-intelligence is truly that good, then they're unlikely to have only used it to plan an initial strike. If your counter-intelligence is working that well, then it becomes possible to prepare and plan multiple moves into the future.
Another second order implication is that it is likely that Palestinian counter-intelligence did not develop on its own but instead with support from other actors. That would imply the existence of alliances that are providing some kind of support.
If both of those are true, then the second and third moves that are planned likely involve support from allies. That could be exit routes, it could be material support, it could be geopolitical support through diplomacy, sanctions, and threats.
A lot of this hinges on the assessment that Israeli and 5 Eyes intelligence failed here. If it did, then we are at the beginning of a longer unfolding of events and need to watch carefully to understand what's going on because if the West failed in this way, the propaganda is going to focus on hiding this failure and its implications.
Media over here already declared it a massive fuck up from Israeli and allied intelligence agencies. I think they actually did mess up. Which, for them, is a pretty worrying sign.
I saw Scott Ritter had some interesting insights that MSM, as usual, is missing: Palestinians have much more will to fight. Israelis are a settler nation and most of them have second citizenships they can flee to. Palestinians don't. For a Palestinian soldier the consequence of surrender is just a slower death than what they'd get if they keep fighting. An Israeli on the battlefield has a lot more to lose from taking any risks compared to fleeing. A Palestinian soldier has nowhere to flee to.
He also noted that if Hezbollah commit as well, all of Israel's neighbours are gonna see it as a now-or-never chance to finally rid themselves of having a nuclear-armed US puppet on their doorstep; and if they don't take it and let Israel make a bloodbath of Gaza and the West Bank, they'll become more stable and consolidated than ever.
In Biden’s speech, he talked about how he spoke to Golda Meir when he was a senator and she told him “We have a secret weapon: we have no where else to go.”
They have a lot more places to go than the people of Palestine.
To add to what you're arguing, every time Gaza is bombarded, more people are displaced, more people are left without a home, more people are radicalized and therefore the number of members in the militia grows. What is someone, who is physically apt to fight, going to do in such a situation? No home, nowhere to go unless you can somewhat cross half of occupied Palestine. Every member of the militia is nothing but a radicalized civilian, and every civilian is a potential militia member.
I was off the grid without internet for the past week, and I come back online to find out that the Third Intifada may have started. It's one of those weeks Lenin told us about. Here's hoping this is the beginning of something really meaningful to Palestinian freedom.
Words cannot describe the rage I am feeling right now. Palestine's liberation is such a fucking softball, and if people can so easily cheer for their genocide I frankly don't know what to do with myself in the US.
Apologies for the 'Dear Diary' type post, but I really just don't know how to alleviate this intense feeling.
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REMEMBER: the Occupier is unpopular the world over. People by and large stand with Palestine, even in the imperial core. The reason they are trying to outlaw protests for Palestine and supporting Palestine is because the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class, and governments want to make their people think that support for Palestine is lower than it really is.
I managed to go to a protest. It was kind of an accident. I suspected something might be planned and went to the time, on the day, and to the place that protests usually happen. Maybe 200+ people there. Half dressed in Palestine flags. Speeches. Poetry. Songs. Messages passed from relatives in Palestine to share with us.
I've been tearing up reading about it all this week. But in person? It was more uplifting than sad. Seeing so many people willing to spend their weekend doing this.
I completely agree, Crit. There's a good reason they don't want us to go outside and connect with others, to see that we stand on the side of humanity and that history will prove us right yet again.
The interesting thing was that the police were clearly supportive. I was a bit surprised to see them nodding along with the talks. They didn't join in the songs and the chanting. But from conversations I overheard, they were supportive. I joined a bit late so stood to one side and I also heard 'ordinary' passers by – you know, people who aren't engaged enough with politics to join a protest – walking past and talking about how bad things were for Palestinians. Seemed like almost everyone walking past was appalled at Israel.
The public stands with Palestine and they know they're being duped by the press. It lifted my mood significantly because all week I'd been given the impression from the silence of colleagues, my institution, my union, and the noise from the media that I was rather alone. Not so.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
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Smarmy piece of shit
Biden first: 'I totally saw images of beheaded babies!'
White House statement now: 'Biden did not ever see those images and they can't be verified'
Libs and others, if you are reading this, please support the right side of history. You are propagandized to hell the same way people were with Iraq, Vietnam, Cuba etc.
Just went to the local Vigil for Palestine but apparently the org canceled it just before the start, because the city didn't want to give a permit. Still like 150 people showed up to lay flowers and burn candles. Police being the fascist fucks they are started intimidating people mourning a massacre.
Fucking fascists
ACAB is not an exaggeration
Same police that has been trained in Israel btw 🤔
Israel has threatened Syria and Lebanon if they enter the conflict that Israel will wipe them off the face of the earth, rumors of the US and Israel discussing joint action if things escalate.
Not fear mongering or anything, but This could very quickly fall into a global conflict. Eyes on the news comrades.
Also a sad reminder the US gave Israel nuclear weapons and it is the known 'unofficial' but stated policy of that regime to use their nuclear weapons in revenge strikes should their regime fall or be in significant danger of falling.
Yeah, things went from oh boy hope the US and Russia don't fight to, oh boy, I hope the entire world doesn't nuke each other because Israel has to keep being an apartheid, like really really bad, in like 48 hours. Got whiplash at this point.
To no surprise, now that there is a new major human rights catastrophy in the middle east, europeans are more worried about refugees entering their countries than the horrors inflicted on these people.
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