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[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Given Israel's history of warmongering in Lebanon, I wouldn't be surprised if it was unprovoked.

[–] Fimbulwinter@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It was not unprovoked. Hezbollah joined Hamas’s attack from Oct 7

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Nassrallah said several times that they've begun doing this in support of Hamas.

And the recent attack by Israel is a response to Hizballah's attack on Safed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Which in turn was in response to...going back to the illegal occupation of South Lebanon by Israel.

[–] Fimbulwinter@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

South Lebanon is occupied by Israel??

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Was Syrian in '67 in the six day war.
And Assad still declares it as Syrian territory.

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's certainly not Israel.

Lebanon existed long before Israel was Theodor Herzl's wet dream.

[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Before the current state of Israel, certainly.
And the whole area was Greater Syria for a while too.

Not sure how this is relevant though.

You wrote that Hizballah attacked in response to Israel occupying south Lebanon, which it isn't.
Either way Nasrallah already said the attacks were in support of Hamas.

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Shebaa farms were tended by Lebanese citizens. Before the illegal occupation by Israel, they paid taxes to the Lebanese government. Any dispute between Syria and Lebanon is because of foreign colonialists meddling in affairs that should have never been theirs.

The shebaa farms have been an issue between Israel and Hezbollah ever since Israel failed to withdraw from the territory in 2000 in typical colonial settler state fashion.

The recent escalation is due to Israel's heavy handed response to Hamas, but this is not a new issue.

[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

The recent escalation is due to Israel's heavy handed response to Hamas, but this is not a new issue.

That's not what you initially wrote.

Which in turn was in response to...going back to the illegal occupation of South Lebanon by Israel.

Which is what I clarified in the first place.

And Hizballah attacked a day after Hamas did. On the 8th of October. That's before Israel's response.

Syria, the UN and the USA all agree that Shebaa farms were Syrian territory in 1967.
Israel was not required to withdraw from the area according to the UN Security Council resolutions.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not quite sure about Lebanon but israel bombed multiple people first, notably Syrian airfields. Multiple times.

Syria even been in this war iirc.

Israel used 7 Oct to attack a whole bunch of people they don't like under the pretense of counter terrorism

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Israel is just a shitty warmongering nation.

We in the west focus on Iran but the real blight in the region is Israel.

[–] Fimbulwinter@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Really, you’d rather support Iran, a nation where women are beaten and killed for not covering themselves completely? How is Israel the blight in the region, besides being the easy target completely surrounded by countries that hate it for being different aka not Muslim and being a democracy that supports LGBTQ?

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because Israel is an apartheid, settler colonial nation in the middle of an ethnic cleansing campaign and Iran isn't.

[–] Fimbulwinter@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Apartheid? How? There are no laws prohibiting any race to do… anything in Israel.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

It's been called an apartheid state by multiple NGO's, South Africa, and UN investigators. This includes Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Yesh Din, and B'Tselem.

Amnesty international wrote a while report on it. To summarize they keep them segregated and fragmented, and have a bunch of laws and policies to restrict movement of travel, where they can live, citizenship, preventing it through marriage, where they can drive and things like that Meanwhile, they have laws characterizing Israel as a Jewish state, the Right of Return for Jewish people, expanding settlements for Jewish people in the West Bank, and it goes on. The evidence is very extensive.