I agree with you, actually. If you don't want to tip, fine, don't tip. But don't go to a restaurant and then not tip, either, because not only are you still giving the company money, you're shortchanging the actual person you want to help.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

We are not short changing anyone. A tip isn't a guaranteed income from working.

Also, it's halrious that you agreed with the previous person, then instantly renegged and said the opposite and went back to he same garbage you said before.

Tipping culture is wrong. Never tip, stop begging.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I think their point is being missed.

In the USA at least in restaurants most servers work for tips. That’s 99.99% of their pay.

They’re saying that unfortunately because of a tipping culture you’re taking part in exploiting the worker unless you tip.

Businesses now adding tipping to POS for other stuff is their attempt to shift responsibility for paying their worker into you.

I think the dude you’re replying to is mixing their messages some.

[–] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 5 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the clarification. I sometimes get tunnel vision and forget people live in places with different laws and regulations. Yes, I'm specifically talking about US states where it's legal to pay a waiter $2.13 an hour because tips make up the rest of federal minimum wage.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

I'm bad with words. Thank you

[–] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not contradicting myself. All of my points can coexist.

If you don't want to tip, fine, stop tipping.
If you go out to eat, tip your staff.
If you want the tipping culture to change, stop going out.

You're correct, a tip is not guaranteed income, that's the entire problem. I don't understand why what I'm saying is so hard to understand. The company will only make up for lost tips for a waiter for so long before they're fired. Continuing to go out to eat and then not tipping changes nothing, it just makes the waitstaff's lives harder.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If everyone today stopped tipping, do you think companies would suddenly begin to pay more? I'd wager that wage increases start with the waiting staff, and ends there. Why are you pushing the responsibility onto the customer?

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 2 points 7 months ago

If everyone today stopped tipping, do you think companies would suddenly begin to pay more?

They won't... And this is the point... Whether customers tip or don't doesn't matter. If we all collectively stopped tipping wait staff would still be the ones hit. It takes the wait staff collectively quitting/protesting to cause restaurants to change their ways... Or management of those restaurants. The consumer in this case means nothing.

[–] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

I'm not pushing the responsibility anywhere. If anything, I think it's the government's responsibility to take the tipping loophole out of minimum wage laws.

[–] Laraxus@kbin.social -4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The hostility is entirely unnecessary. If you eat out and don't tip, the only person you're hurting is the person you claim to want to help. If you can't tip, eat at home. If you can, then do so while still fighting for better workers rights. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.

[–] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But this is specific to sit down restaurants. Do I tip when all I receive is counter service? Or take out?

[–] Laraxus@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

If you're picking it up yourself, I think tipping is unnecessary. If it's being delivered, I always make a point to save enough for a tip.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

Who said I go out to eat to help others? What?!