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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I know where I am, just enjoying my life which involves tickling kitties and making fun of tankies.

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

tickling kitties

Checks out

ancap-good

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Myself I prefer dogs but it seems our lives are rather analogous since I also like making fun of lolberts. You and I aren't too different you see.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

And you appear to think that's a joke, while in fact one can't pick a better ideology to be smarter.

To learn to sing you have to sing, no other way.

It doesn't really matter where you start on that "political compass" or something, only the attitude.

Which is why saying I'm a libertarian was a bit stretched, I just fit there more by some formal traits. I had my moments of obsession with many other ideologies and I'll surely have those in future.

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago (23 children)

I didn't pick being a marxist and an ideology cannot be treated like a fashion statement as you've said. It also isn't something you can just pick and adhere to as if it's a club. And the "political compass" has always been a terrible "tool" (more so of a toy) to describe any leanings. You can't apply a label to yourself by yourself, someone else must do that for you by seeing you for who you are. I've been called a commie a few times, but most of the time people don't even know what a communist is or what they stand for. So I am able to talk commie to normal people (whatever a normal person is) without outright saying I'm a red and so I avoid their redscare conditioning and can have an engaging conversation.

You remind me of myself. I've been a "libertarian" too, not the popular type we like to make fun of here, but the guy you are describing as yourself. But I kept progressing in learning and educating myself, studying history and what existed in the real world, so applying dialectical materialism before even knowing what it was. It was until I've decided:

"Okay enough is enough, time to learn my enemy for who he is and what he stands for so that I may better combat him!"

And then after a while I've had my i-get-it moment. I've realized that everything I was standing for as this libertarian championing human freedom, expression, progress and development towards that in a scientific and realistic way was what the dirty pinkos were standing for as well. I've learned along that journey and the only thing left for me at that moment was to accept that I might just be a dirty pinko too.

I wonder where you will end up, but please never tell yourself you are going to avoid certain material or knowledge just because you dislike the people behind that. Hell I believe communists must be studying fascism to better understand what it is and how to defend ourselves against it. For example I dismiss Mein Kampf not because Hitler wrote it, but because it's a shit work with nonsense inside. Largely a waste of time that will not help in understanding Nazi germany, a better alternative would be study Lebensraum and how it parallels to Manifest Destiny and such.

Learning about this stuff can not only help you develop but also prosper. I have hope you won't side alongside fascism, seeing as you already dislike whatever the fuck Milei is doing.

I’ll surely have those in future

Once you've realized that you can't join an ideology as if it's a club or fashion statement, you can't really adhere to it. You will stand out and be an outcast in said group, and among libertarians you are one. I know that because I've been that libertarian outcast too.

I wish you best, and I hope you stick around. Just be know the bears tend to be bullies as they've engaged with the talking points you might present a million times already. Hell most of us live in the imperial core, we engage with this shit on the daily. I suggest you engage in an earnest way to suck out genuine answers of who we are.

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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Libertarianism is a joke because it's never cleared the low bar of it existing in a meaningful capacity in the real world. You can say whatever about gorillion dead 1984 Animal Farm and whatever tired cliches, at least there have been and continue to be ML states in the real world. The most libertarians have ever managed was one American town before they were overrun by bears.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That just means it's a less viral ideology. It's a different dimension of something being a joke or not.

"Tired cliche" is a characteristic of some art or amusement. Facts usually become more, not less solid over time.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Libertarianism is incredibly viral wtf are you talking about lol. A large swathe of us lawmakers, policymakers, senators and other officials are avowed libertarians. The ideology hasn't been implemented, because every implementation fails. Despite being vastly more represented, funded than any left-wing ideology, and despite being actively promoted by the states in the west, libertarianism is nowhere to be seen in practice, because it is a dog shit idealistic view of how the world functions, and as such, it always collapsed when confronted with material reality. It cannot even manage a single township in a prosperous and peaceful area. This is the best case scenario too, since it otherwise quickly decays into fascism, as we can (once again) see now with Argentina

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No. Mentioning that word once or twice doesn't make one libertarian. And most of the time it's people who'd want to say "liberal" but want to seem smart, or "libertine" but don't know that word exists.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Real libertarianism has never been tried.

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

But it was tried. It resulted in a New England town being besieged by bears.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Ideal libertarianism hasn't been indeed. Just like ideal communism, which requires statelessness, lack of hierarchy (hence state, military etc) and so on.

As for less than ideal ones, one can claim Scandinavian countries just as well as socialists sometimes do that. Or maybe Netherlands.

It'll be just as good, simply libertarians are usually more modest.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

This is how any ML can tell you were never an ML in any substantial sense. You couldn't even use "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" in a sentence

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Lmao the scandinavian countries aren't socialist or even approaching it. Neither is the Netherlands. How can you know this little?
What the scandinavian countries have is the (now remnants) of a somewhat powerful union movement. This organised labour force managed to negotiate consessions and to get those codified into law. Since the 90's the welfare state has been slowly eroded, and the quality drastically plummeting, as the current neoliberal regime gets more and more influential. You would know this if you cared to study the things you claim to have knowledge of.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

You are right, pursuing libertarian policies makes one libertarian, which these also do.

[–] rogrodre@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

being this ignorant is a violation of the nap

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You really couldn't come up with anything better than "no you are"?

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[–] Brutticus@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I too enjoy making fun of tankies but Im not usually so brazen as to come into their house to do it.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

You're always welcome to give it a shot

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That was unintentional, didn't see it's hexbear =)

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

I know where I am,

didn't see it's hexbear =)

Hmmmmmm thinking-about-it

[–] oregoncom@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Go back to r*ddit if you can't even figure out how to use lemmy.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How do you make that conclusion from not looking at the name of the instance?

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Internet is hard, just like keeping our "free market" trains on the tracks pete