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[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I already don’t have problems with putting myself in some unexpected kind of footwear.

Keep at it!

And it’s even been ML.

Eh I somewhat doubt that since you still engage in much of idealism in the commments of this post, some of the unfortunately being somewhat reactionary. Being ML is not just being around GenZedong or ChapoTrapHouse or their lemmyverse successors. It's studying history, theory and applying that in praxis. I can call myself a commie and others can call me too, but in reality I'm just a bookshelf for now. ( uncle-ho would be dissapointed 😭)

I've yet to engage in outright commie praxis due to art. 256 of the Polish penal codex, and I've yet to apply it, even if possibly unsuccessfully.

I suggest you engage with ML ideas yet again, but now more formally by reading theory, studying socialist history (avoid websites like cia.gov and anngothatistotallynotafrontforthecia.org) and checking out whatever the fuck the communists around you are up to. In Poland most of them are useless trots unfortunately so I'm very dissapointed on that, I've got more hope in unions independent from Solidarność getting traction since building up class consciousness would be the priority in this country.

There is one important question I have for you. Have you read these works?

The Principles of Communism by Frederick Engels

Socialism Utopian and Scientific also by Engels

Critique of the Gotha Programme by Karl Marx

Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism by Vladimir Lenin

If not please do so, and I could list some more and even tell you to read the first volume of Capital but I value your time so I chose these as they are rather short. However if you don't feel like reading all of these than I ask of you to just read the Principles. It's the shortest work and is easily digestible, Engels was a great writer in this regard.

I'm also not asking you to become or trying to make you a commie right away, that is something that just plain stupid. I just want you to learn and see what you can take from these works for yourself to be a better person and to learn more about who communists actually are. Knowledge is a tool after all. And in the end if you do end up a commie then lol, lmao you've got got xdddddddddd

Also if you are American, there is one key work I must say any American must read no matter who they are. The Civil Rights movement was one of the most important ones in that countries history that is now being whitewashed by DC and this struggle, the pain and suffering these people endured must not be forgotten.

Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My ML, eh, experience was more about Trotskyism and a bit of ansyn, coupled with reading Wiener's "Cybernetics" and some optimism about future.

I've read parts and excerpts of these, but none in one piece at one time, so - why not.

Not American, but thx.

In Poland most of them are useless trots unfortunately so I’m very dissapointed on that, I’ve got more hope in unions independent from Solidarność getting traction since building up class consciousness would be the priority in this country.

I mean, they are OK, just too busy fighting each other and imagining solutions simpler than practical.

Pluralism in unions (I'd also say party organizations) - many times yes.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

trotskyism

Well that does explain it

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey hey hey, don't lump me in with this fucking loser

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Don't worry, he just used to be a trot.
My honest thought was just that this is very clearly a person that does not read past headlines, and trots are all about reading, so they know nothing of what they speak

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wtf why can't I report my own comment for sectarianism?

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'll report your comments for you and ask the mods to ban/remove them as they see necessary

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Reporter: Egon [they/them]

Reason: Snitching on me to the thought police^___^

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm returning just after reading some of your other comments under this post and I have to say I'm greatly disappointed. Much of your attitude was of statements and assertions, many of which are ahistorical and/or incorrect (or at the very least considered so by us). Also your attitude was very combative rather than discussionary. That is to say, that the bears weren't too good either, many of the combative as well but that also stems somewhat from your stubbornness (← what a weird word, three letter duos? wtf). Questions as well as calls for sources or books or claims for why you are getting insulted rather then replying with a "no u" type statement would have been so, so much better. Some modesty could've also helped...

Still, I have hope for you and a link that may interest you. It's about past socialist countries as well as the USSR and I do hope you read it as it's very good resource with plenty of citations:

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Mikhail-Gorbachev-seek-to-reform-the-Soviet-society/answer/Chuck-Garen

Please do better, because while fixing ignorance requires the help of others, to get that help you have to have a better attitude for them to consider a friendly conversation. Something that is much easier to address and remedy. You're lucky I'm in this comment section and that I'm a rather lenient and considerate person. I see potential in you, and I'm sad this potential was not realized by this comment section. Neither by you, nor by others.

Now to address the Hexbaristas; I'm really fucking dissappointed. You guys need some fucking in your life, and I know I know, this is the fucking internet and shits not to be taken overly seriously, but I like to make these fucking posts for practice damn it! You should do that too from time to time as being good at educating others is a skill and you NEED (ZERO FUCKING EXCUSES) to hone it. You can use this site for more than just dunking.

— “As revolutionaries, we don't have the right to say we are tired of explaining. We must never stop explaining. We know that when the people understand, they cannot help but follow us.”

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Now to address the Hexbaristas; I'm really fucking dissappointed. You guys need some fucking

Lmao nah, this is an online shitposting website. You do not owe anyone a discussion or respect, most certainly not someone who clearly signals they're not interested in giving one themselves. A forum also functions much differently than a dialogue, since there is an argument. You are not trying to convince an individual, but a crowd. Mockery and derision are good tools for this.

In short: PIGPOOPBALLS

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lmao nah, this is an online shitposting website.

I'm well aware of that fact and that is why I love this place. It's great at keeping my morale up and reading dunks on pretentious idiots is always a fun activity but I guess dunking myself was never something I was particularly good at. You and UlyssesT are shining examples of what good dunks are, containing useful information I can learn from. The crowd as you were mentioning.

You do not owe anyone a discussion or respect, most certainly not someone who clearly signals they’re not interested in giving one themselves.

That is correct, I have nothing else to add except one thing; I like to take initative and give a respectful discussion a singular try at maximum to see how it goes, if others in the comment section haven't tried that themselves. If I feel like I can exploit it, I will and will use it to possibly practice educating. Even if this place possibly isn't the best one to do so it's one that I can easily do so in. Otherwise :PIGPOOPBALLS:

Trying even for the sake of probing isn't be a bad idea and probably isn't too much to ask for I guess.

This website can be used in better ways as I've said, but what this website is for you is up to you. I'd just like to see that others engage in either something what I'm doing or at least in dunks of UlyssesT's quality. Rather than just posting :smuglord: and nothing else. An insult should be a spice not the main course, add even the tiniest bit of information to it and it's already miles better. A singular :smuglord: only works when nothing can be added.

As examples: Bad dunk and Good dunk

A forum also functions much differently than a dialogue, since there is an argument. You are not trying to convince an individual, but a crowd. Mockery and derision are good tools for this.

Yeah, It seems I forget this too often... Still newcomers could get attracted with a bit friendliness visible in the wild? I guess?

If whatever I do is a terrible way to practice I'll have to concede, but I've yet to see to that.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

Still newcomers could get attracted with a bit friendliness visible in the wild?

I agree, but I also think newcomers get attracted to a place that doesn't treat people with reverence they do not deserve. I disagree on "good v bad dunks" because I think one larger post supported by a bunch of drive-by horsepoo-theory does a lot of good, and it allows people to be more active posters, since they do not have to constantly lend effort to people unwilling to learn.
In my personal experience, heterodox opinions get met amicably here, as long as they themselves act amicable, though of course there's thousands of users on this site, so some will be... too much, too hostile or whatever.

If whatever I do is a terrible way to practice I'll have to concede, but I've yet to see to that.

I don't think it's bad practice, I think it's good you met the user where they were at and conversed with them. I just also think it was good that the user was met with mockery and derision. I think both can be good.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's liberal bullshit to immediately pivot conversation about what is best to do to a question of who "owes" what (or, more to the point, claiming you owe someone nothing, sidestepping the question of what you should do)

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

I used owe because it made sense to me, but I thought the argument was still on "what's best to do". I'm sorry I chose poor wording

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

When "no u" weighs the same as the original comment, it's exactly what should be answered.

About that link:

I've read more about USSR than I'd want to remember, and Gorbachev alone as a personality is just a part of the whole tendency. A face of a class, if you will.

The part about comparisons and currencies is simply illiterate - a fixed legally defined exchange rate doesn't mean that we can multiply USD of the time by that and get a correct representation, obviously.

It doesn't matter how much USSR produced of which on paper. It matters (probabilistically) which percentage of it was lost due to bad logistics, which percentage of it would be broken fresh from the factory, and how much would be given for it in a real market.

FFS, I'm not that much against the USSR, I like how some things (like technical education) were done there and I know that it wasn't some horde or an evil empire or even a dictatorship. But people here take such an amazingly arrogant, ignorant and sectarian approach to argument, that I find myself arguing against it by instinct.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

I've read more about USSR than I'd want to remember

Your posts on here just make me wonder what you've actually read. Quantity doesn't make up for quality. I could read lots of texts about Nazi Germany from David Irving too.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You yourself have answered what is basically "no u" several times in this thread. Stop being a crybaby about being treated the same as you treat others.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I've answered "no u" to something not warranting a response at all. I mean, that's all you post, so I'm stopping now.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

wojak-nooo <- This is a drawing I made of you

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago