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[–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 88 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The US market is such a weird one. Apple owns more than 80% of all teens over there and Android might struggle to expand there in the future. However, outside the US, Android is still prevalent in many markets (and will grow in many third world countries), iMessage isn't that used, and blue/green bubble argument does not exist.

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Really boggles us non-Americans about the allure of iMessage.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago (6 children)

'Murican Android user here. I've never gotten any shit pertaining to iMessage compatibility or this chat bubble color thing. I think what we're hearing about is just a few toxic circles being presented as the norm for everyone here.

[–] squid_slime@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be surprise if it was a gorilla marketing campaign.

[–] tuck182@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] squid_slime@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Dyslexia but thanks all the same

[–] CrabLord@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

That's alright, you tried. Looks like people understood the intent and had a good laugh. One of my dyslexic wife's better misspeaks was taking a guess at "Jormungandr", and she went with "Juggernaut". Gorilla warfare certainly is a more fun image to picture.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

It's more fun the other way. And I wouldn't be surprised if the possibly came up in some meetings when Harambee was trending.

[–] kzhe@lemmy.zip 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's more common with teens (80% of which are on iPhones here). Teens will grow up, and become adult iPhone users.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

As I recently former teen who never had an iPhone, the only place I've heard it talked about is California, but in Midwest/South nobody cares.

[–] lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I used to think the same, until it happened to me twice..

I got playful groans both times for being the only person in a class group with an Android. I have an iPad so it ended up being a non-issue.

Heck, I was talking to a guy with a Pixel 7 who said the woman he was dating thought it was a red flag. She's 28.

I'm not saying it should exist, but stuff like this very much affects people whether we like it or not and pretending like it's a non-issue doesn't help them.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I was talking to a guy with a Pixel 7 who said the woman he was dating thought it was a red flag. She's 28.

What's funny is thinking that's a red flag is itself a red flag.

If I was dating someone who revealed they're focused on petty shit like that, I'd be worried about a relationship full of drama.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

There’s a good chance you’re left out of separate chats.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago

It's a kid thing, mostly.

[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm convinced that it's purposeful sabotage on Apple's part because if there's one Android user in a group chat iMessage fucks up images/videos/effects for all recipients. So being the lone Android holdout gets you pressured to switch

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It falls back to MMS which is terrible.

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[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

Remember that you're often talking to teens on the internet, lol. And for them it's more of a peer pressure thing. Apple got em good.

[–] Zerfallen@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Europe is a pretty similar situation with WhatsApp, where everyone is kind of forced to use that same platform, just luckily WhatsApp is available on iOS and Android.

Or Facebook Messenger, which I kind of have to use to talk to my relatives and some friends around the world.

Doesn't have the same weird pressure to use one device manufacturer like in the US though, but trying to get someone (let alone everyone) to add you on Telegram or Signal can be a similar struggle, if they don't see a value in the effort required to switch apps just for you.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not all of Europe, the further east you go the more telegram is used.

[–] Zerfallen@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Fair enough, but then it's the same issue to try and convince them to add you on WhatsApp (or iMessage) if they use Telegram. The point is that these are all platforms that we similarly end up stuck on, depending on what most people in our community landed on. In that way it's not so different to the situation in the US.

People only want to use one messaging client for all their contacts, and as long as the clients remain closed platforms, we are prevented from just using whichever client we individually prefer, we have to use the platform decided on by the community, or fight an uphill battle to get everyone to reluctantly install a second messaging app just for us.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

The difference is at least Telegram seems to care a bit more about privacy than Meta

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Stupid kids decided it was a status symbol and no one in the states really uses third party message apps.

[–] trafalgar225@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't want to call the kids stupid. It's the Network Affect. Apple has a sleek design and like two phones. Android it really uneven in quality and capabilities between mid range end high end. I've been on Androids since 2012 and love them. I can however understand why iPhone caught on and then you're friends are on they're and you want to be. Social pressure doesn't make kids stupid just human.

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[–] banghida@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

iMessage does not exist in Europe. I have never ever seen someone use it.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I hate that it’s used so heavily in the states. It’s the biggest reason that I’m still using an iPhone over Android.

I live internationally and it’s too difficult to convince my contacts to switch. Just not worth the trouble.

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why you let people decide for you what phone you use? I moved here and every single one of my friends have WhatsApp even though they use iPhone.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago

Crazy this is like needing Whatsapp on steroids. Literally needing such a crap locked down tracking device just because the US doesnt have the balls to force apple to open up

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Mate, I've never once been pressured to use an iPhone in the states. Not sure what any of that has to do with international travel where chat platforms are phone-agnostic. No one using whatsapp cares about my Pixel.

[–] pohart@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I've been lightly pressured in multiple circles to get an iPhone.

[–] skulblaka@startrek.website 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And I heavily pressure all my friends and family with iphones to switch to android, all the time. Doesn't mean any of them do it.

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[–] aniki@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] pohart@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] M500@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago (17 children)

It’s not international travel. I live with my wife in her country. International calling and texting is expensive.

So I can just get a use an iPhone with iMessage or convince my immediate and extended family and professional contacts to use a different chatting app.

It’s just easier to use an iPhone.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

or convince my immediate and extended family and professional contacts to use a different chatting app.

I'm sure at least your family will happily just install Signal, WhatsApp or so in order to avoid excessive monetary cost to you. What kind of family wouldn't?

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

It’s more about professional contacts.

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[–] aidan@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I use Google Voice to text people

[–] Jolan@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

It's definitely prevelant in the UK. Although not as much as in the USA by far.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm just pissed that apples dominance has neutered good competitive Android phones in the US. There's only a few higher end Android phones to pick from and none have even a microsd card slot anymore. Let alone a headphone jack or replaceable battery. I have the ability to replace my note 20 ultra battery (current phone and last high end Samsung with a microsd card slot) but Samsung won't sell the batteries and the aftermarket ones are hot garbage. I may have another tear or so before I'm forced to get a new phone just because of that.

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[–] LightDelaBlue@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Wen i see those post about a fuking color bubble and some are shamed for that it's juts pathetic to see honestly .