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This criminal, the one in the article, didn’t pay attention to the laws. He was arrested before he shot anyone with his arsenal.
Yep foolish laws make otherwise law abiding citizens criminals over the mere possession of an outlawed item. Even though no other individual was hurt.
Sound strangely familiar… what’s that word that rhymes with hugs? Nancy Reagan had a war with it or something…
So in one incident, a shooter with a history of violence buys guns, keeps them for years, and then shoots up a mall. According to gun fetishists, gun laws would do nothing to prevent that incident. In another incident, a person with a history of violence buys guns, keeps them for years, and is arrested for owning guns he shouldn't have. Thus, there is no mass shooting incident.
I'm desperately trying to figure out what kind of incident will prove this point without requiring a friggin time machine.
You’re falling into a cognitive fallacy that many fanatic gun grabbers seem to exhibit. You assume a crime will be committed in the future based on owning an inanimate object.
Pro 2A enjoyers reject that fallacy. An inanimate object does not have agency. Agency is held by the individual. The individual should enjoy the benefits and responsibilities from the use of an object as well as the consequences of misuse that come with it. The group should not be punished for the crimes of a few.
Law abiding citizens that own guns are not criminals and we reject assertions that we are wrong for owning an object. The safest most law abiding segment of society are conceal and carry permit holders. Millions of us carry every day and do not break the law and do no harm to others.
https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2021R1/Downloads/PublicTestimonyDocument/6128#:~:text=Statistically%2C%20concealed%20carry%20holders%20are%20self-selected%20to%20represent,average%2C%20and%20represent%20a%20significant%20deterrent%20to%20crime.
But that fact is conveniently forgotten by fanatic gun grabbers when pursuing their agenda.
Oh God I hope you're a troll, because I just recently joined Lemmy and hoped the quality of users was higher than on Reddit.
"Here, instead of any actual science, have some NRA propaganda that I can't recognise as propaganda despite refusing to look at the science"
Okay, buddy.
https://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/1/140.full.pdf+html
130 studies from 10 countries.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/policy-evaluation/
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/28/mass-shooting-nashville-guns-legally
When implemented on a nation wide level, gun control works as surely as antibiotics work on infections. That's not up for debate. There is zero evidence against that assertion, and a metric fuckton to back it up.
To me, it's honestly downright sickening, arguing for the 2A, while all the science is against you and you live in country in which the LEADING cause of death for kids is gun violence. (And yes, 18-year olds are kids as well. Case in point, they can't even buy beer in the US.)
Gun control works as surely as antibiotics do. Go ahead, show me science that disagrees. Peer-reviewed science. Mine are from Oxford, Harvard and the DOJ. I'll be waiting.
Your fanaticism and dedication for gun grabbing is next level. Once again you have ignored and talked past the point I made that we as law abiding gun owners should not be punished for the actions of others.
"Gun grabbing."
This is exactly what I mean. You sincerely think using an extremely childish, loaded term like that, while refusing to address the actual science on the matter doesn't show everyone that I'm right, and you have literally no arguments, thereby proving my point that there is literally no scientific evidence to support your side of the argument. None. Zip. Nada. Zilch.
You're like a Flat Earther, an anti-vaxxer, a creationist or other some such deluded person. That's not an insult. It's just literally what "delusional" means. You can see the truth, you can understand it, but you refuse to believe it in favour of things that are completely imaginary.
Gun control works as surely as antibiotics do. No-one's coming to "grab your guns" if America instills actual, reasonable gun regulation. I'm from Finland, we're in the top10 for gun ownership in the world, but there's practically no gun crime at all. There is, of course, but in the same sense that there is risk involved when you get your wisdom teeth removed. I'm from a rural area. I shot my first guns when I was 12. An officer's pistol from WWII (my great-grandfather's), a 12-gauge, a Finnish AK variant (RK62, the one the Israelis based their Galil receivers on, their first ones even being manufactured by Valmet). I had a lot of hunter friends growing up, and I literally slept* next to a gun rack. My dad was a hunter, and my older brother is as well. I then served my conscription for a year when I was 20, in the Finnish army, being an NCO. I love guns. They're fun as fuck.
They're also dangerous as fuck. Which is why you need good regulation. Finland has a problem with people fighting when drunk. Without proper gun control, a lot of those folks would be armed and the murder rate would skyrocket and the safety of the society would plummet. In the long run, that is.
And which is why I never had to be afraid of guns despite having driven a taxi since 2007. And having driven a lot of face tattooed bikers drunk as fuck screaming "we're about to go kill people."
I've hustled drugs more than a decade and never had to be afraid of someone having a gun.
That's why for instance one of my friends who can't handle his drink and always gets into fights only had a gun license for a year or two, before he got several charges for assaults and then it took a year or so for the cops to take his gun permits away. (No, not his guns, no-one was "grabbing his guns", he took them to the police himself, because not to do so would've meant not being law-abiding.)
I know black markets and criminals very well, and the most childish thing about your arguement is the fact that you're ignoring the laws of basic supply and demand. When you restrict legal markets, you affect black markets. Finding a gun here is extremely hard, and when you do find one, it's extremely expensive. You can get some starter pistols bored into .22's, but that's about it. And even those will costs hundreds and hundreds.
How many of the guns sold illegally in the US originated as legal weapons, hmm?
Oh, why did I even bother writing all this, as you won't want to actually discuss the issue. You'll just regurgitate the same bullshit NRA propaganda while ignoring reality. Pfff...