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What's the better play? Voting for third party candidates tends to split the vote and empower the farther right candidates, no?
There not being a better play doesn't mean that play is a good one. It is a bad play, just the least bad one. What it means the system overall is broken and careening ro a crash, since the actually good plays are not politically viable. Mind you not that they wouldn't be voter viable, but the gatekeepers who get to choose what is put in front of voters viably don't want them there, that kind of politically non viable.
I think it was an American who said it that if people lose faith in the ballot box, they'll take the soap box, if that fails, they will go for an ammo box. I think progressives seem to be at station 2, while the far right is skipping right to station 3.
Yeah because it's hard for many of them to believe moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with progressives and leftists.
Depends on the electoral map
That's what I'm planning on doing. People will be able to see my vote for a 3rd party or write in candidate. I'm not going to reward Biden for refusing to compromise with leftists and progressives. Moderates are the majority voting bloc and got him elected in the 2020 primaries. They will take the lions share of the responsibility when he loses in the 2024 general.
So you'll help elect Trump to show everyone how pure you are and then tell the moderates it was their fault? That sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Trump WILL hurt you and the causes you care about in a worse and more permanent way than the alternative. Yes the choices are shit. There's still a meaningful choice.
Edit: Maybe a better way to ask the question would be what would you need to be able to sign on to the less shitty choice, keeping in mind that too much leaning in your direction will shear off the more conservative moderates at the other end of the Democratic coalition. There is strength in unity. Unions teach us that.
90% of these people are right wing trolls, trying to repeat the 2016 GOP traitor's playbook. The more you engage with them, the more opportunities they have to spread this nonsense.
Yeah, that's right. I don't mean to feed the trolls so thanks for the prompt. I just figure some might just be young, immortal, angry, traumatized and idealistic and not able to appreciate the negative consequences of their proposed actions.
As someone who is a part of a wing which is too small for moderates to bother compromising with it's impossible for me to help Trump. Moderates have been very clear that my views and vote don't matter. Are they wrong?
Have you said that to moderates who refuse to compromise with leftists and progressives?
What unity? There were a wide range of progressive and leftist candidates running in the primaries. Moderates said "fuck all that we're going with this old guy who's gonna block strikes and support genocide".
Moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists or progressives.
I just hope some semblance of democracy can continue as imperfect as it is.
Then you best get on the moderates for being uncompromising pieces of shit.
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Yes, it is clearly the moderates holding the party hostage here...
They're the majority voting bloc in the party. That means they hold the lion's share of the responsibility yes.