MAGA is also about: hating LGBT, demonizing immigrants, worshiping wealthy people, opposing labor, hating the idea of government and taxes in general, banning abortion, large trucks, packing courts with conservatives, political corruption, and even things like removing the right for women to vote. Pretty sure US Liberals and Democrats haven't stood up for those things at all.

Biden, despite being President, does not get to make every decision himself. It is shameful that he has supported Israel this much so far, after it was clear they were doing far more than simple defense or retaliation, but the vast majority of US politicians have for Israel's entire existence. Acting like Biden can unilaterally solve the problems with the US-Israel political alliance is naive. Acting like Biden's actions were entirely due to some 'uncommitted' votes instantly is also naive.

[–] shoppingrat@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We can argue that neoliberals like Biden and the current establishment Democrats are hating of the QIA+ part of the LGBTQIA+ community, climate activists, climate refugees, direct action initiatives, grassroots movements, just to name whats off the top of my head. They also have a disdain for poor people but historically yes have made things more accessible, on paper. If you are disabled, queer, non-white, neurodivergent or an intersection of those things, you are second class and that is the lived experience. The way they talk and the way they spend and lobby shows that they also want to push an ableist, classist agenda that only allows certain diversity to a point before it becomes too inconvenient or uncomfortable.

Biden has supported israel since his days in congress. He said that if there was no Israel, the US would create one. Israel has been doing this since day one. 1948 Nakba. He shares the same values as israel. The values of fascism, colonialism, zionism. This is his legacy and we should not let him forget it. https://theconversation.com/biden-says-the-u-s-would-have-to-invent-an-israel-if-it-didnt-exist-why-210172

Kamala Harris told Guatamalans not to try and come to the US. We did a coup there once. The Biden admin now wants to be even tougher on the border than Republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57387350 https://news.yahoo.com/biden-may-sign-trump-esque-220052566.html

[–] horsey@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Okay, so.... your belief is that Biden and the Democrats do no support queer, intersex and asexual individuals? What does that even mean? Climate activists? Okay... refugees? Seems like a combo of issues. "direct action initiatives, grassroots movements" is very vague.

They also have a disdain for poor people

Please consider we are comparing them to Republicans since that's our realistic alternative. Democrats support a social safety net. Republicans fight against EVERY form of social(ist) support with legislation and propaganda. Let's list the states which denied accepting federal funds to expand Medicaid... hmm... and no, it has nothing at all to do with "disabled, queer, non-white, neurodivergent or an intersection of those things" as they specifically help those people. As noted, we are comparing them to fucking republicans. What you're saying makes almost no sense at all. Are you confusing Democrats with Republicans? Do you even live in the US?

Okay, so you ignored half of what I said and are continuing to your primary agenda, Israel. Tell me how Trump being elected will help the Palestinian cause.

Democrats gave a cushy border deal to Republicans knowing they'd refuse it over electoral concerns and guess what, they did. Again: either a Democrat or Republican will be elected for each seat available in the upcoming elections. How will a Republican taking office help migrants?

[–] shoppingrat@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Democrats support a social safety net. Republicans fight against EVERY form of social(ist) support with legislation and propaganda. Let’s list the states which denied accepting federal funds to expand Medicaid… hmm… and no, it has nothing at all to do with “disabled, queer, non-white, neurodivergent or an intersection of those things” as they specifically help those people. As noted, we are comparing them to fucking republicans. What you’re saying makes almost no sense at all. Are you confusing Democrats with Republicans?

If Democrats are so supporting of social(ist) programs, why did 106 of them vote YEA in a resolution denouncing socialism and deeming US as capitalist country first and foremost? https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2023/02/02/u-s-house-agrees-on-something-lawmakers-condemn-the-horrors-of-socialism/ https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023106?Page=2

If democrats care so much about marginialized peoples, why are they not donating to these peoples gofundmes? Or responding to their calls for mutual aid? Because it cuts into the neoliberal commodification and privitization of public assistance.

"This “neo-liberalization of social services” transformed charity into an industry where professionalism, maintaining tax-exempt status, and uplifting the needs of corporate donors and capitalist foundations fueled the work. Now, the nonprofit system encourages social movements to follow capitalist models, is monitored and influenced by state and corporate entities, and is generally focused on employing educated workers to the helping profession rather than mass activist organizing.11 Conversely, mutual aid organizers are attuned to the needs of the collective over any other stakeholder, and the lines between those offering and receiving assistance are blurred."

https://cunyurbanfoodpolicy.org/news/2023/08/22/mutual-aid-101-history-politics-and-organizational-structures-of-community-care/

Democrats are closer in class and ethics to republicans than they are to the working class. They are all friends and colleagues of each other, not sworn mortal enemies like they portray.

Its hard to differentiate Dems from Repubs since they both seem to want the working class to dissolve.

Tell me how Trump being elected will help the Palestinian cause.

Nobody thinks that.

Democrats gave a cushy border deal to Republicans knowing they’d refuse it over electoral concerns and guess what, they did. Again: either a Democrat or Republican will be elected for each seat available in the upcoming elections. How will a Republican taking office help migrants?

the link referring to the border issue is talking about biden concocting a trump era border policy in executive order style, so not about the deal he tried to make with repubs. the dems don't want more people crossing the border either.

biden cant unilaterally solve the problems of the the US but he can stop weapons and money going to a genocide.

EDIT: adding citations as to why biden is not that labor friendly:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/02/joe-biden-is-no-friend-of-unions

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/01/joe-biden-rail-strike-labor-unions

[–] horsey@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The Democratic Party doesn’t fully represent their voters, it’s true. It also seems you didn’t/can’t read the article in your first link. However, I am pragmatic and while I’d love to reform the Democratic Party, the republicans are MUCH WORSE about EVERYTHING.

You’re very good at ranting and criticizing democrats while ignoring 80% of what I respond with.

Tell me how Trump being elected will help the Palestinian cause.

Nobody thinks that.

WOW, really? Well let’s just “both sides!!” it and discourage Biden voters so we can get Danald Tramp elected anyway. After all, 50% of democrats going along with some bullshit vote condemning dictators is just as bad as 100% of republicans doing so, and means they’re indistinguishable.

[–] shoppingrat@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It also seems you didn’t/can’t read the article in your first link

What the one about the "horrors" of socialism? If there are any horrors of socialism, its that it allowed capitalism to exist. Everything the US condemns "socialist and communist" countries of is usually just a projection of its own bullshit.

You’re very good at ranting and criticizing democrats while ignoring 80% of what I respond with.

I'm not sure which parts i didn't respond to, can you clarify? otherwise stop moving the goalposts

WOW, really? Well let’s just “both sides!!” it and discourage Biden voters so we can get Danald Tramp elected anyway

I encourage people to vote for whoever they want. If they can vote uncommitted on a primary to show they dont support him thats amazing and will not risk the election to trump as y'all like to keep screaming