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Trump has been charged by the Department of Justice with the following four counts:

  • A conspiracy to defraud the United States “by using dishonesty, fraud and deceit to obstruct the nation’s process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election,” according to the special counsel’s office.

  • A conspiracy to impede the Jan. 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified.

  • A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have that vote counted.

  • Obstruction of, and attempt to obstruct and impede, the certification of the electoral vote.


In criminally charging former president Donald Trump for his efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss, federal prosecutors allege that Trump enlisted six co-conspirators to “assist him in his criminal efforts to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election and retain power.”

  1. Rudy Giuliani

  2. John Eastman

  3. Sidney Powell

  4. Jeffrey Clark

  5. Kenneth Chesebro

  6. Unknown political consultant


Updated 8/3/2023 by Jordan Lund

Washington, D.C. - 4 felonies, January 6th Election Interference

Investigation

Indictment

Arrest <- You Are Here

(Lawyers have until 8/10 to submit requested trial dates, which will be announced on 8/28)

Trial

Conviction

Sentencing

Georgia - Election Interference

Investigation <- You Are Here

2 new grand juries were impaneled on 7/11/2023.

Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.

(Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)

Arrest

Trial

Conviction

Sentencing

New York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff

Investigation

Indictment

Arrest <- You Are Here

Trial - March 25th, 2024

Conviction

Sentencing

Florida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges

Investigation

Indictment

The original indictment was for 37 felonies.

3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.

Arrest <- You Are Here

Trial - May 20, 2024

Conviction

Sentencing


Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation, where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again, resulting in a demand for $10 million, is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a criminal one.


Sources:


Trumps 3rd Indictment - Conspiring to Defraud the United States - 1 August 2023

NBC News: Grand jury charges Trump in 2020 election probe: Highlights

Vox: Trump was just indicted for trying to steal the 2020 election

CNN: August 1, 2023 Trump indicted in special counsel's 2020 election interference probe

Washington Post: Here are the Trump co-conspirators described in the DOJ indictment

Reason: Trump Indicted for Attempting To Overturn 2020 Presidential Election

FiveThirtyEight: All Of Trump's Indictments Could Seriously Bog Down His Campaign


Trump's Arraignment - 3 August 2023

AP: Trump is due to face a judge in DC over charges he tried to overturn the 2020 presidential election

C-SPAN: The Not Above the Law Coalition, a group of organizations in support of accountability for those who opposed certifying the 2020 election results, holds a press conference ahead of the arraignment of former President Donald Trump.

C-SPAN: Coverage of the arraignment of former President Trump, stemming from Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into election interference. The former president is facing four criminal charges, including conspiracy to defraud the United States.

CBS News: Trump pleads not guilty to federal charges in special counsel probe

Chicago Tribune: Trump pleads not guilty to federal charges that he tried to overturn the 2020 election

The Independent: Trump appears to stumble over his name and age at arraignment


Official Documentation

Read the indictment by @mateomaui@reddthat.com

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[–] Nix@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm still dumbfounded by the sheer number sycophant and adulator that keeps believing the everchanging nonsense he is peddling.

Despite being proven a liar on a regular basis and destroying the lives of even his closest so called allies and friends.

I just wonder what their daily lives are like to be so gullible and never realising that they are being lied to or being taken advantage of. On the contrary, they insult/trample/lash out against anyone trying to help them or even just trying to understand them.

Well, I have given them all the empathy I could muster (amongst the handful of people I knew).

Lying to more than, let' say, 100 individual (simultaneously to an audience or separately the same lie to different persons) should entail concrete consequence. For example, being confined to their home for a certain amount of weeks/months without access to TV, internet and other means of electronic/immediate information/communication so as to let them simmer in their thoughts for the duration. Whether they are the president of a company/country attempting a subterfuge or a edgy 13 years old trying to impress their classmates.

Having immediate consequence for proven lies would have solved so many past and current problems and impending crisis (from climate change, antivax, cults, PFAS/pesticides to the subprime mortgage fiasco, tobacco/asbestos disinformation, Libor rate, Enron, Theranos, Boeing 737 MAX, Volkswagen emissions, the ongoing cryptocoin/NFT craze, the list is truly endless... ). Small lies eventually leads to bigger and bigger lies until it's too late.

Obviously, some lies are sometime necessary to still perform what most would consider to be in good faith. For example, preparing a surprise birthday party for someone and everyone participating having to lie to keep them in the dark until moment is right to reveal the surprise. Or, parents making stories to reassure their children in a difficult or unexpected situation.

In the majority of those "in good faith" situations, the number of people being lied to are limited to less than 20 individual and usually only for a known limited period of time. Hence, my undocumented 100 person treshold. If one has to convey the same lie to more than 50 people they should rethink whatever they are up to.

... Welp, I got sidetracked again ...

Politician who blatantly lie to get elected would have never been an issue. They can be "mistaken" or "misremembering" until they are proven incorrect. Which they will have to rectify and therefore cannot continue to peddle the same lie or would be locked at home without any means of outside communication for a non trivial amount of time.

The profusion of misinformation will be the downfall of our societies, before even the climate crisis ruins us, if not dealt with in time with the seriousness it requires.

[–] GoodKingElliot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I appreciate where you're coming from. But careful you don't replace Trumpist fascism with some other kind of authoritarianism. You want people who tell lies to face house imprisonment? Who decides what statements are lies? It's an easy power to abuse.

[–] Smallletter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can make this law work by putting requirements on it, such as to an audience or whatever. And then it's no different than being charged for shouting bomb or fire. Two lies you CAN be charged for.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Fraud is actually the big one.

[–] Sightline@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

You want people who tell lies to face house imprisonment? He said politicians.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Fraud is illegal.

Fuck house imprisonment. Real prison.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Not just people who fall for his misinformation, but who keep sending him money. He's using nearly all of his campaign funds for his legal battles and people keep sending him more despite the fact that he claims to be a billionaire.

If I was a billionaire and found myself in legal jeopardy, I'd be hiring my own lawyers and paying them out of pocket - not begging people to give me money. Then again, I also wouldn't have started an insurrection against the US so maybe I'm a bad example.

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I’m still dumbfounded by the sheer number sycophant and adulator that keeps believing the ever changing nonsense he is peddling.

I actually think they know he's lying but they enjoy seeing the left get riled up and pissed off. They're driven by hate. They're willing to trade away truth, reality, and fairness to hate on liberals, to hate on immigrants, to hate on Muslims, or to hate on "the other" (Trans currently). They chase that feeling of self-righteous victory over the evil "others". They'll twist reality to fit that narrative and they'll partner with the devil himself if he just hurts the right people.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

its simple. republicans are really, really dumb.

[–] HelloHotel@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thats complicated and I think a bit extreme. The reason we dont do that is because we judge bills on the merit of "if a corrupt law enforcement got a hold of this law, would it be abused to hurt people they dont like". Yours fails spectacularly.

Edit: "proven lies"? Thats just (oversimplified) getting solotary confinement for a libel case. Libel cases cost the guilty money and not solitary.