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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 78 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

My theory is that the other members of the Federation saw humans as a bunch of chaotic, violent monkeys that somehow had gotten into space and in time would spread their flavor of chaos and violence across the universe.

So it makes sense they thought better training the puppy before it grows up.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I think the question is why The Federation exists to begin with. Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites don't like each other, so how did they hold together a Federation before the Humans showed up? Was this entirely an alliance of convenience against Klingons and Romulans? Or was this a serious collaborative partnership that's just been cracking up as Humans arrive?

I'll say, one think I've really enjoyed about Lower Decks is that they have done more "What is life like on a Foreign Ship?" stories in a few seasons than a other Star Trek series have done in entire show runs. The closest episodes I can think of that take a deep dive into life on a Klingon ship was a few Worf episodes on TNG and Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Your comment and the OP act like the Tellarites don't like anyone, but that's not really true. The Tellarites and Vulcans got along just fine before Humanity showed up. The Vulcans probably figured out the Tellarites' gimmick and decided that challenging each other's ideas was how they arrived at a logical conclusion. The Andorians were probably too hot headed to get along with people who challenged them on everything, leading to them being in conflict during ENT.

As for how humans fit in, humans may be crazy bastards, but they also occupy a nice middle ground between the others. We can be as emotional as Andorians one day, as logical as Vulcans the next, and a number of our political systems were built on Tellarite-style arguing. Humans can hear out one ally, then explain their position to another in terms they'll understand. We can also tell when Vulcans are secretly being driven by emotion, can leverage Andorian emotions to bring them to a more rational perspective, and debate Tellarites on even ground. Humans are the interpreters and negotiators that got these people to actually talk about their problems with each other and come to a reasonable compromise.

[–] ApostleO@startrek.website 11 points 8 months ago

Exactly.

This whole discussion feels like nobody watched ENT.

The Federation exists because Archer was such a fantastic mediator. Add in his rapport with T'Pol and Shran, and his willingness to die in the place of a Tellarite ambassador, and it's little wonder he was able to knit the beginnings of this alliance together.

I really got an Archer vibe from Pike in "Spock Amok" (SNW S01E05), when he dealt with the R'ongovians.

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