Liberalism is also associated with the invention and virtually entire existence of chattel slavery along with the exporting of the criminalization of queer people to cultures that did not feature such things.

[+] Tinidril@midwest.social -8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is it though? In the common consciousness? I really don't think it is. Whether or should be is a different discussion, but the bubble in which those concepts are innately connected is pretty small. You can't just say "liberal" today and expect it to be understood in that way.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 52 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is it though?

Yes, it is responsible for those things, like when we say smoking is associated with higher risk of lung cancer.

In the common consciousness?

Moving the goalposts. Good job observing that liberal propaganda takes credit for good things and not for bad things.

Though outside of America, you get a much more accurate view of the term because liberal means "sniveling, centrist, market-fetishist" in most other countries.

[+] Tinidril@midwest.social -6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it is responsible for those things

I never said it wasn't. It's about language and perception.

Moving the goalposts.

Nope. This was my exact goalpost from the beginning.

Good job observing that liberal propaganda takes credit for good things and not for bad things.

Not at all. I have no objection to telling people what liberalism is all about. However, the reality is that decades of propaganda from liberals and conservatives has successfully shifted the definition to a point where it's foolish to just drop the word without further explanation.

[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The qualifier “progressive” is used to describe a liberal who supports progressive social issues.

Supporting gay rights or feminism etc, that’s being a “progressive” (loosely speaking, it can be defined better than that.)

You seem to want to insist all liberals are progressive liberals but they aren’t.

That’s why the qualifiers “classical liberal” or “liberal conservatism” exist.

In some countries the “Liberal” party are the socially conservative faction of society.

You’re wrong to conflate liberalism with progressivism. That’s why they’re different words.

You’re also wrong to imply that progressive stances are “owned” by “liberals”.

You want to say “progressive liberal” is a tautology…. But it isn’t.