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drives me up a wall living in a very very red district, like "no democrat is ever going to win any local election, let alone a real leftist" district, like "our school board members ran on who was the most anti-mask" red, like "I pass white supremacist signs on the way to buy weed" red

and being in the local leftist community and the guy who runs the anarchist book club and the lady who helps keep the warming shelters open and the people who marched on city hall when a local business was getting death threats for having a drag show are all members of a discord and we get on this discord and have frank discussions about how best to vote

the people who do the protests and the mutual aid and all the real work

going "okay, they're both fascists, but this one lacks ambition and seems happy to just glide in the position" or "they both suck, but this one can be reasoned with if you frame it patriotically enough" like we don't even have a democrat to vote for. we know what a vote is. we know what we hope accomplish with it. we know what it can do, and we know what it can't.

and going from those discussions to here where people think that your vote is some kind of fucking??? enabling maneuver??? as if someone isn't going to end up in that seat regardless of what you do???

we didn't build this system, we just live in it. we're just trying to survive. a vote isn't a statement of your values, it's not an endorsement, it's not a marriage contract, it's a strategic play you make to keep alive.

the biggest mistake I see leftists making is overestimating their own popularity. "well but everyone would be leftist if they just-" no, stop, 1) you can't possibly know that 2) everyone will not just

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[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 101 points 6 months ago (4 children)

But this solution doesnt kill any billionaires, install linux, implement communism or defund the police! It accomplishes nothing!

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

It doesn't even make peace in the Middle East

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I heard that when you install Linux for the first time, a billionaire dies. The only way to stop this is for a right-winger to clap three times and say "I believe in the free market"

[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 4 points 6 months ago

I use Arch BTW

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Goddam you sound so insufferable. You love your ineffective, status-quo, compromise-with-naked-fascists, liberal Democrats, and you want me to love them too. They don't fucking represent me or my values. If I vote for them, my concerns are ignored until the next campaign when I'm told my concerns are unrealistic fantasies and that while there is certainly no hope of improving things, they can get worse more slowly than with the Republicans.

Democrats are a failure as a party in opposition to conservatism (or even fascism!). Why is it so much to expect for party leaders to show some fucking leadership? Do politics. Have a vision and do more than pretend to fight for it. Make room in the party for the left if you want our votes.

[–] FractalsInfinite@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You do realize that the previous commenter was joking right?

At the end of the day, people have no option but to vote for the lesser of two evils, hense why people need to "Do politics" and create better parties or infiltrate existing ones and improve them from the inside. For those who can't do that, voting to minimize harm is the best many can do. By not voting, you choose to let the status quo remain the same or worse, regress.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

No no no... dont correct them.

Nothing makes me happier than someone missing the point so hard they prove it.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

Yeah I get that they were "joking". What has voting for Democrats gotten us besides " the status quo... or worse"? This is the point. You guys are the ones who have it backwards. Politicians have to "sell" themselves to the electorate. Democrats don't even try to do that, which is precisely why someone like Trump can come along and win elections.