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    Now my arch is bloated more than the default ubuntu (lemmy.world)
    submitted 8 months ago by Waffelson@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    [–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Still way less bloated than win11 I'd wager

    [–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

    Step 1. Install the most secure, pure, minimalist Linux distro

    Step 2. Get frustrated at the complications

    Step 3. Give up and go back to Windows

    • a story I've seen happen more than once
    [–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 20 points 8 months ago

    I've had the exact opposite experience on arch, mostly because of the arch wiki.

    1. Install arch using the arch wiki for reference
    2. If an issue arises, consult the arch wiki
    3. Document, contribute, and help others
    [–] pizzazz@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    For me unfortunately it has been Step 1 install literally the most universally compatible distro possible

    Step 2 audio drivers craps out. No fix is available. Trying to apply workarounds completely Bork the system

    Step 3 install again. graphics driver is problematic, refresh it giving it MOS permissions. I miss the MOS permission screen at the reboot. Look for how to do obtain that option again. No easy way to do it at all. Bork the system again

    Step 4 install again. Notice touch screen support is completely useless, and pen is not supported.

    Step 5 Ask myself if keeping a 1200$ computer with tinny audio, no graphic hardware acceleration and a half functional display can be justified in any way. It can't.

    Step 5. Back to windows. Bloated, but it works.

    Unfortunately system support is still very iffy on some models. I'd really like to embrace the distro life but can't.

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

    Without claiming that I would be able to fix any problems, I'm curious which hardware that is. In all honesty I can't remember the actual audio driver ever crapping out in the last 15 or so years. I find this fascinating and like to know more.

    The set of hardware I've had most problems with had been various types of WiFi adapters from Realtek and Broadcom.

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

    I've seen "Step 3: Buy a Mac" plenty of times for exactly that audience. They like tinkering as a college student and when they enter the working world they realize that tinkering all the time impedes their financial bottom line. Then they go from Linux fans to hardcore Linux haters ("it's for playing around, not serious work"), even though a convenience distro like Fedora would have solved all their problems in an instant.

    [–] Allero 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Step 1. Install user-friendly Linux distro

    Step 2. Get frustrated at the complications

    Step 3. Try to check back on Windows

    Step 4. Get completely disgusted, realize just HOW much bloated and slow and terrible Windows is

    Step 5. Learn Linux-fu and live happy ever after

    That's my path

    [–] mrmanager 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Go back to windows is not an option, it's a really horrible system. I dont see how people can use it without blowing their brains out.

    [–] sum_yung_gai@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It just works. I don't want to have to invest time in making my os work. I want to spend my time on my projects(which I use wsl for)

    I totally understand the desire and satisfaction of having complete control over your os but a lot of people just want to be able to do simple stuff like game and browse the web which windows does just fine in my experience.

    [–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    ~~It just works~~ it's just better supported because of the monopoly Microsoft established

    [–] sum_yung_gai@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I'm saying it just works, I didn't say anything about why that is the case.

    [–] Allero 2 points 7 months ago

    I'd argue Linux falls short on audience that needs a little more than browsing and simple games, but are themselves a little less than sysadmins. That's the audience that is really hurt by the transition. The rest (simple as well as power users) should be just fine.

    Even still, with Windows being the mainstream option, it just goes as a no-brainer and a default solution for the majority of people, regardless of how good or bad it is.

    [–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

    Vendor lock in. Still melts the brain.

    [–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

    Oh I'm sure. People get used to something because it's forced on them and change is hard. Also, ADD is at all time highs thanks to portable devices.

    People who are abducted and held captive often experience Stockholm Syndrome once they find themselves set free.