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From Reddit
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FWIW, the article is describing the standard "mythicist" position. A well-known argument that has been described many times before. There is nothing new being presented here, and all sources cited appear to be over a decade old. If you are familiar with this debate, you probably do not even need to read the article to know who the sources are. They are very familiar names to anyone that have read past articles on this subject.
I hate the whole debate anyway. It doesn't matter whether or not there is a "real" Jesus because he wasn't the product of a virgin birth, he didn't perform miracles, he didn't come back from the dead and he most certainly wasn't the son of any god. He wasn't even "king of the Jews" any more than a guy standing on the street corner claiming to be the president is one.
On top of that, since all of the Gospels were written, at earliest, decades later, anything he may have said or done, had he existed, could not possibly have been accurately transcribed or recorded in a time before cameras or audio recording.
So was there a real Jesus? It doesn't matter because that isn't the Jesus that Christians worship. The Jesus that Christians worship definitely did not exist.
The only difference between a religion and a cult is time.
If someone comes up with a fanciful story right now about a savior or prophet that said a bunch of stuff 60 years ago and a group of people started following it as a teaching .... we'd call them a cult.
If the cult lasts for generations or hundreds of years we eventually start referring to it all as a religion.
I wish people would stop saying this. Research into the BITE Model and High Control Organizations have given specific criteria to the sorts of groups people would call "cults". Some of the more fanatical sections of the Catholic Church qualify just as much as a multi level marketing scheme that started 5 years ago.
Agreed. But I would also say that the person 60 years ago is not the same as the person they worship. It may be based on them, but it isn't them,
The example I always use is the villain Bloefeld in the James Bond novels and films. Ian Fleming based him on the father of his school friend, who had the same name. I don't think anyone would claim that the "real" Bloefeld is the one from the novels and films.
That's my problem with this debate. As I said, it doesn't matter whether or not there was a real person the character of Jesus in the Bible was based upon because the character of Jesus in the Bible is the one that Christians worship and he definitely did not exist.