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pushes up glasses TECHNICALLY you cant cast two leveled spells in one turn, even with action surge. Just one and everything else must be a cantrip.
And yes, I am fun at parties
*pushes glasses even higher* That rule specifically only applies when you use a bonus action to cast a spell. (Rules link). Two leveled spells using your actions are fine. Here's the relevant sage advice to confirm.
While the sage advice doesn't address leveled spells in action/reaction (e.g., fireball and counterspell) in the same turn, we can assume it is possible as no bonus action is used.
So using action surge, one could cast two leveled spells and two cantrips in one turn?
No, action surge only gives you an additional action, not an additional turn. So two leveled spells and one cantrip, or two cantrips and one leveled spell.
Almost.
Action Surge only gives you an additional action for the turn. Casting a Bonus Action Spell would lock off both the standard and additional action from being able to cast a leveled spell.
So, 2 Cantrips + a BA spell works.
2 leveled spells as actions works, but no BA spell even if it's a Cantrip.
YES! Finally someone who understands the bonus action casting rule!!
TECHNICALLY you're incorrect.
Although many people get this wrong.
XD and if you could, sorcerers already have quickened spell for it. would be no need to multiclass
You need the action surge to cast 2 leveled spells.
Quickened spell changes a spell to a Bonus Action, but doesn't remove the Action Cantrips only limitation of casting a BA spell
I thought you can't cast 2 leveled spells in one turn though. If you could, you could just do it as a bonus action w/ metamagic. That's what I'm saying.
or does action surge actually bypass this restriction??
It only stipulates that a Spell cast as a Bonus Action locks off any Action Spells from being cast that turn that isn't a Cantrip.
But, 2 leveled spells cast as Actions is fair game.
It's pretty strong, and it's why the 1DND play test has changed Action Surge so that it can only take the Attack, Dash, Disengage, and Dodge action