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During the 2022 midterms, Voces de la Frontera Action poured its resources into mobilizing support for Democrats at the ballot box, with volunteer members directly contacting nearly 30,000 voters in their network and reaching 30,000 more through phone-banking and door-knocking, according to the organization. In 2020, Voces supported Biden’s presidential run.

Now, the group has turned its efforts toward promoting the Uninstructed campaign with mailers, door-knocking and social media promotion.

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I have family who are undocumented

I've had friends who were undocumented.

Corporate needs you to find the differences between this picture and this picture.

Actually, let me rephrase:

I have family who are undocumented

Because of friendships I've had with people who would be particularly and intensely vulnerable under a Trump presidency, including some who were directly impacted in life-changing ways by Obama "deporter in chief"'s specific reforms, this particular type of bad-faith effort to claim Biden is bad on immigration is particularly infuriating to me. Coupled with your claim to have authority to speak on it because you allegedly have a direct association with a vulnerable person, it led me to feel it's relevant to tell you that I actually have one of the associations you're alleging (unconvincingly, to me). So if we're going to claim that that gives extra authority to speak on it, then yes, I have that authority too.

There we go! Now they're different pictures.

(Side note, I will say -- Zaktor's point about being connected to an immigrant community being in no way a guarantee that your opinions on this kind of thing will be good ones, is actually a pretty fair argument. So maybe it's unfair for me to say that I'm skeptical that you have undocumented family solely because of the opinion you're expressing here.)

[–] juicy -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I deleted my comment after I saw your exchange with Zaktor. I didn't mean to beat a dead horse. Props to you for hearing him out.

Biden is legitimately bad on immigration. See the articles I cited above. He's just better than Trump. He's a lot better than Trump, to the point that it is not easy to withdraw my support because of his support of genocide. I am truly fearful of the consequences for my family of another Trump term. But whatever happens to us, it will be a mere inconvenience next to what families in Gaza are suffering.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So here's where it breaks down for me: I read your citations. It's fuckin terrible. But it sounds like you're traveling from "some things with our immgration system are very very bad" to saying Biden is making it bad on purpose.

Things are way way better than they were before, and Biden is pushing to make things better than they currently are. (E.g. -- the immigration bill, for as many pretty nasty concessions as it made to the Republicans, contained things like massively increasing the number of asylum judges to clear the huge backlog of people who are stacking up because we can't process them, that is at the root of a lot of this terrible human suffering in the specific ways you're listing out from The Guardian etc.)

What are you proposing he do? What specific actions under his control would resolve something like the Haitians being sent back, or the people waiting to be heard on asylum with nowhere to go in the meantime?

Oh, also what's your assessment of what Trump will do with a situation like Gaza? Do you think he would provide humanitarian aid, do you think he would pressure Netanyahu to stop, do you think he would continue weapons shipments?