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[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Why do people talks so easily about US starting war with Russia? They each have thousands of nukes and if it devolves into nuclear war then earth is fucked beyond repair for at least a few centuries. This is not WW2 anymore, a war doesn't mean dropping with a bunch of soldiers on a beach, it means an apocalyptic destruction of earth.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I live in Germany, was a teenager in the 80s. We would have been ground zero then, and would be ground zero now.

I've already spent all the fear of nuclear war in the 80s. I am just not able to fear nuclear war now, anymore. The fear just dulls after nearly half a century.

The choice is to let a madman bring war to one country after another or to stop it - with the cost that stopping has a miniscule chance of me getting vaporized.

But doing nothing will keep the risk of nuclear war for another 50 years. It has to be stopped now, appeasement never did anything good.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

All the west has accomplished so far is to ensure that more Ukraine is destroyed, and it's obvious to anybody with a functioning brain that there is no chance of Ukraine winning at this point. The best chance Ukraine had was last summer during the fabled offensive that failed miserably. Ukraine is never going to be in as good position going forward. So the actual choice is to ensure more people keep dying or to negotiate with Russia. Incredible that after two years westerners still can't get this through their skulls.

[–] Woozythebear@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

Bro we are on the brink of nuclear war with Iran and Israel over some bullshit. If one nuclear power wars with another the nukes will drop instantly. Stop trying to kill me, I don't want to die in a nuclear blast for fucking Ukraine.

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

That is true but at the same time, a line has to be drawn somewhere. If we just let Russia win because they have nukes, there is nothing to stop them from invading and absorbing other neighbors. We can’t let the threat of nukes keep us from doing anything and allowing for Russia and China to just invade anywhere they want.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Only the US and Europe has the unalienable right to invade and bomb anywhere they want.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

We can’t let the threat of nukes keep us from doing anything and allowing for Russia and China to just invade anywhere they want.

I'm sorry, but yes-we-fucking-can.

Jesus, people here are so fucking blood thirsty that they're willing to entertain nuclear-fucking-holocaust just to 'draw a line in the sand'

Friendly reminder that the US has already been 'invading anywhere they want' - I sure am glad the baddies aren't as eager as the good guys are to glass half the planet.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The alternative to this “line in the sand” is the eventual destruction of all things beautiful and good at the hands of the world’s most evil people.

Stop being naive.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 7 months ago

The alternative to this “line in the sand” is the eventual destruction of all things beautiful and good at the hands of the world’s most evil people.

Lmao who's being naive?

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

We have 122 vaults spread all over, just in case, no? ... No?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I didn’t read that comment as implying war was easy or okay. How’d you get that impression?

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

the NATO/EU/US may decide to become directly involved in the war

After their involvement, I doubt they'd do nothing if some of their soldiers get shredded by a Russian bomb. Let's imagine Russia is beaten and it's on the brink of complet defeat. Do you really not expect them to send nuclear warheads everywhere before collapsing as an ultimate fuck you ? 10% of the warheads are enough to turn earth into a post apocalyptic wasteland.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Same goes the other way around, and given that Russia is in a stronger position than the west, that's the scenario we should really be talking about. What happens when NATO gets shredded by Russia the same way their Ukrainian proxy. Will NATO just pack up and go home or escalate to use of nuclear weapons. Incidentally, US intentionally keeps an open posture on this.

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Russia used to be that powerful, but not today. It will put a decent fight but I doubt it'll be able to deal against so many powerful military foes.