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CPUSA does not classify as any Marxist party
They have no international solidarity and I've met multiple prominent CPUSA members who vocally support reformism and the police state
What type of party is it when leaders can say stuff like this and not get purged?
At least DSA doesn't pretend to be anything they're not and still accomplish more material good than CPUSA lol
This is why I moved to build a PSL branch in my area instead of a CPUSA branch
We don't have "branches;" we have districts.
What's the difference? Genuine question, I don't live in the US
Word choice and word choice alone. It's entirely meaningless.
The difference is that we have intermediary groups between the clubs; we don't have a branch system and a district leadership covers a wider area.
Also, I'm doubtful that the person is that familiar with CPUSA and I'm airing that doubt.
Anything I could do to prove I was in or affiliated with CPUSA is doxxable information, I'm not the same kind of person who posts about how he's in the Northern Virginia CPUSA on their Lemmy account which also has god knows what other identifiable information
My lackings in knowledge are areas which were not clarified for me appropriately while I tried to organize with CPUSA, right now I'm working with PSL because they do clarify these things and the people on the ground not only have more achievable goals and timeframes but are more widely connected in the local community. I say branch because that's the lingo PSL uses, and I assumed that it simply wasn't clarified for me while I was in CPUSA but clearly I'm not correct on that point, for what it matters.
I'm not anti-CPUSA by any means, I'm an ML who merely wishes for there to be a sizable socialist movement in the US by whatever means; however my experience with CPUSA outside of major city centers like DC and NYC though was severely dissapointing and I advise others to join whatever ML group is largest in their area or work with another ML org if there is no ML group in their area.
From your previous comments, you are clearly anti-CPUSA and do not represent the majority of the membership, who I've spoken to.
You even referred to something as simple as a "district" as a "branch," which is explained from the very beginning. We don't have a branch system. We go by wide swathes of areas called districts and then clubs and maybe collective if you go even smaller.
So I really don't believe you, no offense. It's kind-of like saying that you don't know who "William Z. Foster" is, tbh.
No offense or anything.
Unfortunately these chauvanistic attitudes like this are what hold back an organization with much potential, and instead opens the doors for other ML parties. This series of districts, clubs, and collectives is indicative of an anarchy of organization, an unaddressable problem while CPUSA remains as muddled of an organization as it famously is. This muddled organization leads to a fundamentally unquestionable leadership.
Despite intense criticism I even heard from members in NYC when I visited the party HQ (there was no Soviet gold in the basement, despite rumors), the self defeating policies and priorities of the CPUSA are not being changed at the pace they need to be to face the crisises we face head on. There's a reason most images of Palestinian protest feature PSL signs, and that the last emails I received before unsubscribing from the CPUSA newsletter was an art competition.
I ask that instead of dismissing well meaning criticism from fellow communists you take this criticism to mind and help make CPUSA become an organization worth championing instead of something which must be defended reluctantly.
It's not an anarchy of organization, but a hierarchy, actually.
Also, the policies change every 4 to 5 years and have to as we're a DemCent org.
You must listen to well-meaning criticisms directed at you instead of dismissing them, comrade. Especially since you're never been in the organization, afaik, and are critiquing it from an outside perspective.
What criticism are you even leveling, you're just mirroring what I say when you say that.
The difference is that we have intermediary groups between the clubs; we don't have a branch system and a district leadership covers a wider area.
We do mutual aid in my district.
Also, CPUSA delegations have met with the Communist Party of Cuba and have had no incidents.
DSA has had these incidents though.
Actually, the CPUSA has met several times with the Communist Party of China.
Also, we support prison and police abolition.
If CPUSA is an ML party and presumably, practices democratic centralism, can I ask why those CPUSA members in local branch has not been purged?
I'm not going to doxx them but their local branch only has ~4 members (and thus, have a complete control over that branch...) but it's in a cultural major and very politically engaged metropolitan US city so I assume they should be aware of their existence
CPUSA chapters being small, doing semi-random things, and supporting Dems is definitely a thing. They seem to vary wildly across chapters.
We don't expel members based on hearsay.
Yes, we practice DemCent.
Yes, CPUSA is an ML org.
No, we do not have "branches." We have districts and then clubs and sometimes even smaller collectives.
Hmmmmm
Please specify your edits or otherwise you may come off as "edit trolling."
I just changed pronouns for more anonymity
Well, it seems that the message is bigger, but fine, I will take your word for it, I suppose.
Right, and more details on how important the city that their district/club/collective are in is but the main substance is exactly the same
Well, we have several clubs in the Five Boroughs in NYC and we have maybe two for each of the Twin Cities in Minnesota. We have a couple places where we have clubs in cities.
California is a wasteland for us.
We're growing by leaps and bounds in the Mid-west and South (albeit too spread apart) but not so much in the West Coast.
For the record, the organization order is district > club > collective (I think there's a specific name for this but I forgot because it's not often used).
I can't help you here, but I trust that the things will turn out alright, but you can't always be sure, and I can't vouch for every single person in the org.
That makes sense then. The annoying part is that these members are in a bunch of other orgs mostly to network and make connections for their own events/actions but they'll also spread pro-cop rhetoric to the point where they're well known in the organizing scene for that here
We've posted several pro-abolition articles in cpusa.org and even the PW, to a degree.
Like I said, I can't vouch for every member, and I've seen some real bad ones get kicked out.
Not saying that you shouldn't trust your lying eyes, but I can't always vouch for each and every person in the org.
Actually, CPUSA is a Marxist-Leninist party, per its constitution, party program, and several documents.
Not necessarily attacking the CPUSA, but documents are meaningless without enforcing them. According the multiple documents the US should be doing a LOT of things different.
We enforce them and even teach Marxism-Leninism.