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Why is Matrix mentioned more often than XMPP in self hosted forums? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 6 months ago by cyclohexane@lemmy.ml to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

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I'm looking into hosting one of these for the first time. From my limited research, XMPP seems to win in every way, which makes me think I must be missing something. Matrix is almost always mentioned as the de-facto standard, but I rarely saw arguments why it is better than XMPP?

Xmpp seems way easier to host, requiring less resources, has many more options for clients, and is simpler and thus easier to manage and reason about when something goes wrong.

So what's the deal?

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Dino has an intentionally simplistic design, but it doesn't look "dated" at all. Gajim or Movim both look pretty modern and similar to Discord etc. these days.

And XMPP has bridges to pretty much all major commercial networks, it just doesn't have a major centralized provider of them that in exchange siphons up all your personal data like Element & Beeper does. But you can easily self-host the available bridges for XMPP.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Dino has an intentionally simplistic design, but it doesn’t look “dated” at all.

That's highly subjective, but I've shown some Gtk3 apps to people at work and the most expressive first reaction I got was "ew". Dino and others getting that exact reaction wouldn't be surprising.

it just doesn’t have a major centralized provider of them that in exchange siphons up all your personal data like Element & Beeper does. But you can easily self-host the available bridges for XMPP

And this is another reason why it isn't prominent. "Grandma, all you need to do is host an XMPP server. It's incredibly easy".

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago

You can easily do it for your Grandma. But your argument can be just as easily applied to Matrix vs. WhatsApp etc. If you use the centralized services of Matrix.org or Beeper then Matrix is just a very poor version of Discord.